S5 E85: WILT’S 100 POINT RECORD IS GETTING BROKEN | ALL STAR DRAFT (Fluent & Chill)

Speaker 0 (0s): And dive into your,

Speaker 1 (2s): Hey, hey. What’s I hit the live button and there’s no, there’s no going back. There’s no going back. There’s

Speaker 0 (10s): No going

Speaker 2 (10s): Back. We in now. Now we’re in. Okay,

Speaker 0 (12s): Well then I’ll choose. I think

Speaker 1 (13s): We should start. This is why, this is why you’re always one of the top rated hosts. Cuz we start on time.

Speaker 0 (18s): Yes, we do. Last week we fell short, but this week we’re here. What’s up everybody? How’s everybody doing?

Speaker 1 (26s): Everybody’s

Speaker 0 (27s): Up. What’s up? What’s up? Okay, we’re just gonna jump into the main topic because sometimes we push it aside a little bit. So we’re

Speaker 1 (34s): Gonna jump. You wanna start with that?

Speaker 0 (35s): I wanna start with it. We’re gonna start with it. Unless

Speaker 1 (37s): You wanna wait till some of the people get here.

Speaker 2 (41s): Party just started. We gotta let everybody file it. Hey, how you doing? What’s going on?

Speaker 1 (45s): There’s that wanna come in, you know, casual. You know the casual, I mean. Okay, well then let’s start, what is it called? What is it called? Fashionably Late.

Speaker 2 (53s): Fashionably

Speaker 1 (54s): Late. Wanna come in fashionably late.

Speaker 0 (56s): Then before everybody gets here I wanna talk about a little bit of NFL because that was an on our, on our docket, but Right.

Speaker 2 (1m 3s): We can do that

Speaker 0 (1m 4s): Jay, since you’re an nines fan, talk me. Okay. You go for

Speaker 1 (1m 8s): It. I was gonna say we do have some nfl, it’s on the list. It’s down. Okay,

Speaker 0 (1m 13s): You go, you start off. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (1m 14s): You start no h you the listen in the H book. I’m technical

Speaker 1 (1m 20s): On the side. This actually gives me this.

Speaker 2 (1m 22s): What’s, what’s on your mind? H Boogie.

Speaker 0 (1m 24s): Okay, well hold on, let me get into that chat too. But I was gonna ask you, Jay, what are you feeling about rock for real? Do you think he can lead us?

Speaker 2 (1m 33s): I said this to you before H is, it reminds me of somebody that’s at your house, something broke and you gotta fix it and somebody j like your nephew or somebody showed up. They’re not a professional, but you watch him fixing it and it just looks like they know what they’re doing. So you just get out the way. Yeah. And you just let them keep doing what they doing. You don’t, yo you need to do know. He looks like he knows what he’s doing. Yeah. And not only does he look like he knows what he’s doing, he looks like he’s getting more comfortable in what he’s doing too.

Right. The defense, I’m not particularly loving right now. I mean, we gave up 34 points to the Raiders. I did. I was not particularly, yeah, I wasn’t that that really boiled my blood. Cause I’m like, yeah, I remember steer in New England and I’m thinking to myself, who is this dude? Now all of a sudden he gonna throw for the game of his life. They have 500 total yards against us. I’m

Speaker 0 (2m 25s): Think myself, you made him look way too good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (2m 27s): I’m like, get outta here man. This dude is, is he for real? So yeah, with that being said, I personally think that this is gonna rest on Shanahan because Shanahan has put him in position where this is what a coach does. He puts you in the best position to be successful. This guy looks like he’s really good in the pocket. Not only does he look like he’s really good in the pocket, he’s looking even better in play action. Add that to the fact that, you know, he was a four year starter at Iowa State. So he does, he does operate in a pro style.

Right? Right. So him being the third guy, I don’t have a problem with it. He looks like he could, he looks like he could be a bridge quarterback for another team. Maybe even a starter for a couple of years, or a bridge quarterback. But in this particular situation, I don’t have a problem with this guy at all. I’m really feeling him. He, he, he kind of gives me a, he kind of gives me a, a Jimmy g vibe except he a little bit more athletic and he might be more durable. He might be more durable. So I like what I’m seeing. I’m not loving how, you know, we are using McCaffrey and what I mean, not in the offense.

I don’t wanna overuse him. Cause I know how CAC can get, if you overuse him, he’ll break down. Yeah. Yeah. And that, that kind of, that kind of worries me with him. But I like, I, I like Purdy. I think Channahan is the coach of the year. I can’t remember the last time that a team has lost their number one and number two starter and he is still at the top of the league. I’ve never seen that before. So I’m, I’m, I’m digging what’s going on right now with my Ns. I’m digging it.

Speaker 0 (3m 58s): Yeah. I mean it’s been good. I I’ve heard many people say like they’re one injury away from, you know, not making a good run in the playoffs

Speaker 2 (4m 6s): Or ain’t that everybody no age.

Speaker 0 (4m 8s): That’s everybody like truly kind of like N B A this season. Like n l is is up for grabs especially, and, and really quick, I do wanna say to DeMar, obviously that was pretty shocking what we saw on Thursday, on Monday evening.

Speaker 1 (4m 24s): But good news, but good news, good news. He’s stable. He’s still critical but stable. He was, he was, did you see what he wrote to his doctor? Yeah. Who won the game? Who won the game? That’s

Speaker 2 (4m 35s): Because he probably, he just woke up. So he thinking that the game was like two hours ago. He don’t know that he was in the hospital. He ways he dunno like what happened, did we win?

Speaker 1 (4m 45s): That shows you the mentality, right? Like first thing you do, you wake up Who, who won? How’d it go? It’s good news. It’s good news. Yeah. All all the best to him. And, and because like from, you know, we, we’ve learned a lot about him since, since, since that happened. And like, he’s a good dude toy drives and, you know, good family. So I, and I really liked, I thought it was really classy of his parents. I think specifically his mom and Josh Allen coming out and being like, Hey T Higgins, like you did nothing wrong.

Like, and you know, cuz that’s cuz he didn’t. Right? If you watch it, there’s nothing he did. Right. Wrong difference. So

Speaker 2 (5m 23s): Like a routine play, he got up, he going back to the huddle and next

Speaker 1 (5m 29s): Thing you know, all that happening are so rare. Yeah. Think about every sport, hockey, football, anywhere where there’s contact. And I, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that happen in all the years. Just think about that. We’ve, I don’t think we’ve ever seen that happen. It’s again, a one in a million shot that you cardiac arrest from a chest shot. So just crazy.

Speaker 2 (5m 47s): I got a question. It’s like

Speaker 0 (5m 48s): 20, 20 cases a year or something.

Speaker 2 (5m 51s): I got a question o to the nfl. How much do you think today, what the, what is the NFL worth? All 32 teams combined with everything that’s going on in the, what is the NFL worth today?

Speaker 1 (6m 5s): Like? Okay, so I I’d say the average team’s, what, 10 billion?

Speaker 2 (6m 11s): I was thinking like five. I I think the cowboys on the high end would probably

Speaker 1 (6m 14s): Go for like, thinking of the cowboys.

Speaker 2 (6m 15s): I think the cowboys go for like eight. But on average, I’m thinking the average NFL team goes for like maybe four, four or 5 billion for the average NFL team.

Speaker 1 (6m 25s): I gotta turn my calculator sideways to get that many zeros.

Speaker 2 (6m 28s): I was thinking, I I’m thinking, I’m thinking I’m thinking like maybe 300 billion.

Speaker 1 (6m 33s): It’s yeah, probably.

Speaker 2 (6m 34s): That’s what I’m,

Speaker 1 (6m 34s): Yeah, probably. I’m,

Speaker 2 (6m 36s): I’m, I’m saying that to ask you how does the N F L handle this situation with DeMar? What I mean when I say that he was gone, I mean if, if, if we’re gonna be franked about this, let’s be, let’s be realistic. He was gone. Do they say that he’s gone on the field? No way do they say that? No, there’s no way that they can tell us that he’s gone right there. Which he wa which it looked, it very much looked like he was. So with that also being said, when we get to the hospital, right?

When we get to the hospital, how do they handle that? Do they tell the doctors, I don’t want you guys talking to anybody but us. That includes his family. No matter what happens, we need to know first because again, we’re protecting the shield here. If we have somebody die, we have to get in front of this.

Speaker 1 (7m 30s): Yeah, that’s a tough one because the personal right? You wanna say, well no, it’s the parents and that what comes first is the family. And, but you know, from a business standpoint, yeah, there’s probably those conversations having ha being had in the background, right? Like a lot of people got on and deservedly so skip bails right? For his tweet. But if you think about it, Troy Aikman and who wasn’t Buck

Speaker 2 (8m 0s): Joe,

Speaker 1 (8m 0s): Buck and Joe Buck, they, they kept talking football. They kept saying, Hey, this is, this is the possibilities, right? Like they’re gonna, because in a situation, not knowing, not knowing what happened, what do you talk about? You say, well there’s an injury on the field. Because again, they don’t know the severity of it. There’s an injury on the field, we’re gonna probably pause, they’ll take a break. What have they done in the past? They’ll send them back to the locker room, let them kind of re you know, focus warm up again and they start again. Right? That, that’s been the, the typical when there’s been a horrendous injury, right?

This was beyond that we found out after. So, so, you know, skip puts a tasteless, but then at the end says, but all of that doesn’t matter. So I don’t know, was that sarcasm? Was it him be being legit like because of his, his own personal, because of his history? See, that’s the problem with the history cause of his history thinking, no, he’s just being a jerk cuz that’s who he is. But he might’ve been sincere. He might’ve been saying all of that means this is what we’re talking about football. But all of that doesn’t matter because if, again, so to your point, no one wants to say it.

But yeah, the N F L probably was having those conversations. If he, if that happens, you know, like never to this extent. But I’ve been in war rooms where we’ve said, okay, if this happens, this is what the press release is gonna be and if this happens, this is what we’re gonna say. Right? And you have to be ready for both. And that’s just, it sucks, but that’s business, right? It’s cold, it’s heartless and,

Speaker 2 (9m 31s): And more than anything, we talking about

Speaker 1 (9m 33s): 500 billion.

Speaker 2 (9m 34s): Absolutely. You

Speaker 1 (9m 35s): Gotta be, you gotta think too.

Speaker 2 (9m 36s): We have, we have to protect that. And unfortunately what happened with what happened there was traumatic and I I, there’s no doubt in my mind I’m done playing football. We ain’t, I I’m not going back out there after what had just happened. I’m not, I’m not going back out. I don’t

Speaker 1 (9m 52s): Think you’ll ever be medically clear, nor would I want to. But I think it’s great. I think it’s a great, I I think the team takes care of him. I take that nfl like he should have a job for life. I

Speaker 2 (10m 2s): Hope I don’t mean him specifically Todd, I’m just talking about the game that day as a player.

Speaker 1 (10m 6s): Oh, he as a player,

Speaker 2 (10m 7s): I’m, I’m not, I’m, I’m taking my shoulder pads off. I’m done for the day because I to to refocus and to get myself back focused, it would be really difficult to do that con contrary to the idea that, you know, it is a gladiator sport and this is the kind of stuff that happens, but we never seen nothing like this before. Right? Never seen nothing like this. Yeah. Yeah. So because of that, how would, how does it get handle? I was, that was one of the first things I was thinking was how does the N F L handle this from a business standpoint? Because again, we saw something that was traumatic from the player’s standpoint that yo this dude is gonna die.

We can’t have that on national television. We can’t have that. We, something has to happen where we are able to get in front of this. So I thought that that was really interesting in how those conversations could be had and what they could possibly be talking about.

Speaker 1 (10m 58s): Yeah, no, that’s a good point.

Speaker 0 (10m 60s): And real quick, I mean, just going off that with the Bengals Bills game obviously not happening, how do you think Jay, that’s gonna affect both of their standings? I mean, that was a huge game. That was an important game. That was a crucial game, right? So what do you think, you know, are, are they just gonna, is that game that game’s not gonna happen? So what is that gonna mean for, for both those teams?

Speaker 2 (11m 20s): Well, because it’s not gonna happen. They still are in the space that they’re in. So Cincinnati still gotta play this weekend, right? And Buffalo still gotta play this weekend. And the fact that Hamlin woke up, I mean that’s a huge rallying cry. So that may very well be momentum for them to just get rolling. And the same thing with Cincinnati. That might be momentum for them to get rolling. I don’t think that this is gonna hamper them in a bad way. I think it’s a good thing, especially the fact that everybody got behind Hamlin and the fact that he’s getting better and, and he’s making progress.

I think that they, I I think that this helps both Cincinnati and Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (11m 59s): Yeah, I think it, I think it from a on the field thing, it can act, I think it’s more because he, because it looks like he’s gonna be okay. It’s more motivation than, than distraction. And so for football it’s good. There’s so many things though that because listen, our number one priority has been, hey Debar Hamlin, can he, is he gonna be okay? Is he gonna lift through this? Yeah, it looks like he is. So now we have to start having these other conversations. So they’re not gonna replay the game cuz obviously they can’t, they’re gonna play this week.

They’re gonna take the winning percentage to decide who, whoever has the better winning percentage. That’s gonna be how they, how they’re gonna seed things. But there’s also tons of betting and fantasy ramifications. I am in a league where I’m the, where I’m the commissioner of the league where the person who’s down by two Points has Josh Allen, who still has three quarters of football to play and he’s down by two points.

Can you give him the win? Well no, technically you can’t. Cuz you don’t know. But he’s got three, he only has three less points. He’s probably gonna score those points. But the other person I’m sure will argue, well we don’t know that for sure. Right? You’ve got guys in our Players’ Choice Fantasy Football league. I think it’s actually pretty close. One guy has Josh Allen, the other guy has Stefan Diggs. So, and it’s a tight and it’s a tight matchup. So there’s just, there’s a lot of, you know, I’m sure there was people who bet on the game. There’s parlays, there’s all these things, millions and millions of dollars, right?

That and whatever in this that now just kind of what happens cuz the game’s not gonna happen and you can’t just say, well now we’re gonna lose it by, you know, we’re gonna lose it by, sorry, we’re gonna change it to the following week. Don’t know Right? Bams in the chat right now, I’m losing by nine. But he’s got stuff ons, right? That’s, that’s one touchdown play for Stefan Diggs. That’s, that’s, that’s easy.

Speaker 2 (13m 58s): You know how I feel about Home Field Advantage. I’ve always felt like if, if you better than me, you can whoop me anywhere. If I’m better than you, I can whoop you anywhere. Now, Cincinnati and Buffalo, the proximity ain’t really that different. So if the AFC Championship, for example, has to be played in Cincinnati as opposed to in Buffalo, is it really that much different in terms of the weather conditions? Is it really that much different? The weather travel

Speaker 1 (14m 20s): Different, but yeah, the fan base, you’re, you’re comfortable. Listen, do I wanna play, do I wanna play in Cincinnati? Hamlin Shazi? Yeah, there, there’s been two more and I, sorry. Oh, Antonio Brown. Right? And there’s a fourth one that I’m forgetting all on that same field. This becoming first spot Buffalo. Yeah,

Speaker 2 (14m 45s): Much.

Speaker 1 (14m 46s): Yeah. But yeah, you know, again, most important, I just, I wanna say it again cuz someone who might have just tuned in five minutes, first and foremost, right? It’s about DeMar DeMar and his health, right? But getting better, which is great news. There’s a lot of other things to talk

Speaker 2 (15m 1s): About. That was great news, man. Found out that he woke up. I was like,

Speaker 1 (15m 3s): That’s dope. Absolutely. I knew just, hey, me being me right away, I was like, ah, that’s good. When I saw that he wrote, cause I’m getting excited, I’m hitting my mic. When I saw, like he wrote who won the game, I’m like, all right, that, that’s a dude. That’s okay. He’s gonna be, he’s he’s a fighter. He’s gonna be so, it’s, it’s great, great news to hear.

Speaker 2 (15m 20s): So, you know, he’s coherent and everything is working as opposed to where am I, what am I doing? And

Speaker 1 (15m 26s): I, I gotta love what’s going on between Cincinnati and Buffalo. There’s a lot of love between Cincinnati and Buffalo that we, yeah. You know, most of the time we, you know, rivals, right? We talk to both teams and we love the rivalries. But if you go back, Cincinnati and Buffalo have always really supported each other. There was the thing with the, I think the Flutie Flakes then Andy Dalton Buffalo stepped up and helped Andy Dalton go through some stuff. I think when they won a game that put Buffalo into the playoffs for the first time in a long time, right? There seems to be a lot of, like they, the two cities seem to support each other, which, which is in this day and age, it, you know, we don’t talk enough about those, those good stories.

So good, good for them. Good for them. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (16m 4s): Yeah. I, I think he’s gonna be okay and we’ll continue to pray and keep him and his family in our thoughts and

Speaker 2 (16m 9s): Prayers. That’s good news man. That’s really good news. That’s feeling that.

Speaker 0 (16m 13s): Oh man, there’s an argument in the, nobody knows if the real ticket’s in the chat, but everybody’s That’s

Speaker 1 (16m 18s): Ok. But if it’s you let’s tickets, let’s super chatting. It doesn’t matter.

Speaker 0 (16m 23s): Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, I’ll give you two The choice, are we going right into the draft? Are we talking about Will

Speaker 2 (16m 28s): What you wanna do? Hell h boogie you? What do, what do you wanna do? Alright,

Speaker 0 (16m 33s): I really wanna get into Will. I

Speaker 2 (16m 34s): Thinks let’s

Speaker 0 (16m 35s): Introduction people already asking about it. So we’re gonna start with Wilt. So the first question, Jay, you said you were talking with a buddy and he’d said, obviously we know legendary wilt, whether it’s true or not, I think it’s true that Wilt scored 100 points in a game. I heard a story about, I forget who it was, but it was the, the guy, another guy that had called his wife and he was like, Hey babe, you know Wilton, I scored a combined like 102 points. It just really like, how’d you do?

And he’s like, well I scored two and will got the hundred. So like there’s so many stories and we can hear like how legendary will is. And, and so let’s jump into first do you think that there will ever be anybody to, you know, outscore that 100 points and are there any players that come to your mind? Obviously Donovan Mitchell scored 71 this past week, which was absolutely insane. Kind of weird cuz if you look at his scores previous to that, they hadn’t been very high. So that was kind of out of this world.

No one expected that. But yeah. Jade, are there any players you could name that you could think maybe could even come close to that or even, you know, top Kobe’s 81? Well,

Speaker 2 (17m 44s): Is there anybody in league to, to start the conversation? To start the conversation. This is how awesome Wilt is. Oh, will was my man right here is Greek and he don’t even believe Will ever

Speaker 1 (17m 54s): Existed. I actually wanted to go first,

Speaker 2 (17m 56s): Not go ahead to, cause

Speaker 1 (18m 0s): I wanted, cause we need to take a step back all so, so there is a thing called satire. So I clearly, you know, take that and I love conspiracies. So I take the fact that I love satire and I love conspiracies and I put them together and I was like, wilt didn’t even exist. Forget to score a hundred. The man didn’t actually exist. He’s just like a biblical figure in the NBA that they wrote into the history. But we never actually saw him do anything. No recorded didn’t, he went under Marcus George or George Marcus, whatever his other fake name was when he was in high school.

Like it’s just, it’s it’s it’s, you know, he’s reincarnated his, his grandson is auto porter and we see how good he is. So how good could he have been watching? So that’s, listen, we’re we’re joking where I’m playing up a conspiracy, they’re saying, but when I see guys, like I saw the other day Mars and JD and they’re like, wilt scoring a hundred, that’s cap. Here’s why I don’t believe it. And they list out the things when I say he didn’t score a hundred, I give you facts like it wasn’t recorded.

There’s no video evidence of it. So I can, that’s a fact. I say that the, the, the radio recording of it took seven years to come out after the fact. Seven years. That seems a little suspicious. So I give you facts on why I don’t think it happened, right? There was a report of a scorekeeper who said it was smokey cuz they used to smoke in that arena, or sorry, in arenas. And that was, they weren’t spo playing in the regular arena where they were normally were, right? They were playing in a different one.

The Hersh in Hershey, Pennsylvania. Yeah, it was really small, it was smokey. And there was a report that one of the scorekeeper said, you know what, he was just scoring so much at one point when we did, if we didn’t see, we just marked down as him, right? And they’re

Speaker 2 (19m 46s): Just giving them points. They were just,

Speaker 1 (19m 48s): Then there’s the pictures, there’s the pictures. Like when you look at here, listen to the radio report, they’re flooding the field, there’s slur the court, everybody’s running on, running onto running onto the court and there’s no pictures of them running onto the court until after the game. But, but that radio broadcast said it was at 42 seconds left. So I give you factual things that make you just say, hmm. Then when I hear Mars say, I did my research and, and he had never had that many free throws in a game that whole season.

False. He went 28 of 32, which is 87% false cuz like three weeks earlier he had 34, 35 attempts. So actually it wasn’t even his most free, free throw attempts that season. So false. He never came anywhere close to shooting that high of a percentage. That season he shot over 75%, 10 times. So 87% is higher, but 75 to 87%, that’s two free throws. So is that crazy? No. So false. False. I can’t believe that a guy scored a hundred points.

Really? Because when a guy who averages 20 or 25 scores 70, obviously we see it, there’s video, but you’re, that’s believable. So why aren’t we believing a guy who averaged 50, who scored over 70 multiple times, who scored 60 25 times couldn’t go for a hundred on a good shooting night when they’re feeding him the ball? It’s, it’s, it’s, again, when I say it, I give you facts as to why I don’t believe it. But when you make up stuff and say he never had that many field goal attempts, yes he did. He had that many field goal attempts like eight times that season.

So all the, so you give a bunch of false information and there’s other people and you start by saying, I looked it up. No he didn’t. No, you didn’t. Did not. Because it doesn’t take that much research to go

Speaker 2 (21m 35s): And look. No, you

Speaker 1 (21m 36s): Didn’t. That bothers me. He

Speaker 2 (21m 37s): Did not.

Speaker 1 (21m 38s): So, so I wanted to start with that. So is it conceivable that he scored a hundred points based on the fact that he had had that many free throw attempts in a game before he had that many, if not more field goal attempts in the season before he had made that many, that percentage of shots before? Absolutely people can get hot. Like we had games where Shaq, who’s a 50% free throw shooter shoots 70, 80% from the line. Dwight Howard, who’s a terrible free throw shooter in that season. You know what else he was doing that was different?

He was throwing, he was trying some underhanded Well what, what a great game for him to try underhanded games on a game that he knows isn’t gonna be televised isn’t gonna be recorded. Because that was his thing. It was his ego that kept him from throwing underhanded free throws. But when he did, he shot over 80% when he did that. Oh no. Cameras cool, now I’ll do it right. There’s only 4,000 people here. Cool. They won’t believe him. If I, I’ll tell ’em hell no, I’ll punch him in the face. You know who wilt is? Wilt is the guy who spit on a guy’s head in an elevator. Cuz the guy asked him, what’s the weather like up there?

So it’s raining, is it, is it? Yeah, he said it’s raining. He said that. He didn’t say that. So is it crazy to say, Hey, he underhanded some? No, it’s not crazy. It’s not crazy. So that’s all I’m saying is if you wanna make the case that he didn’t, I’m with you. I can make that case.

Speaker 2 (22m 56s): Which by the way, Tony, I’m I’m sorry to interrupt you really quick. No, he, he did shoot his highest free throw percentage of his career that season. But anyway, as you were saying,

Speaker 1 (23m 4s): No, no. His highest, no, his highest free throw shooting of his career was actually his last season with the Lakers where he shot over 70% for the season.

Speaker 2 (23m 12s): Right. So when he But but the year,

Speaker 1 (23m 15s): No. Right,

Speaker 2 (23m 17s): But for, for that year, at that point he hadn’t Oh, that point his career. Oh, he hadn’t shot, he hadn’t shot higher than that at that point. That was the highest free throw percentage he had shot for his career that season. But

Speaker 1 (23m 27s): Anyway, yeah, cause there was multiple games of 70 and one of eight. So that’s all I’m gonna say is if you’re gonna debunk it, don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t insult the history by lying or, or saying stuff is not true. Say the truth. Because again, you can make that case. I’ve been told to settle down, so I’m gonna, I’m gonna calm down. I’m sorry. This topic gets me, it gets me riled up. It gets me riled up. All right, so now let’s go, can someone, so now that we know that it’s possible he could have done it.

Yeah. Jay, you’re, you can start on who, if anyone can surpass

Speaker 2 (24m 4s): It. Well, to be honest with you guys, I don’t think anybody would, I don’t think there’s a team that would let a, a guy go for a hundred. I just don’t see it. No, I, I don’t. However, all things considered h all things considered tone. I got it going. The, the bucket is an ocean. I can’t miss. I think I can see the book going for 85 or 90. I could see that all things considered. Cause he’s got that kind of game where once he gets going, he’s got guys on his team that will get him the basketball.

And not only will they get him the basketball, they will keep feeding him and he won’t stop. Guys, I’m gonna take off the list. I’m taking KD off the list and the reason why I’m taking KD off phis is cause KD is gonna let you off the hook. KD will gets 60, which he’s never done in his career by the way. But K DLL gets 60 and he’ll actually come outta the game cuz they’ll probably, let’s say that they’re up by like 20, let’s say that they’re up by like 15. He’s like, all I’m good. I’m, I’m, I’m, I don’t have to go back out. I think he’ll,

Speaker 1 (24m 59s): He’s never gone for

Speaker 2 (24m 60s): 60. Never. He’s never scored 60 in a game. Never. Not one time. So

Speaker 1 (25m 4s): How do people call him the, okay, it’s different topic.

Speaker 2 (25m 8s): I think, I think he’ll let you off the hook. Steph Curry, I think I can see Steph Curry going for 85 90. And the reason why I say that I watched Clay Thompson a couple of nights ago, hit 10 threes. I watched him score 37 in a quarter. If Steph coulda that game, if Steph could’ve picked up the ball and ran it to him, he would’ve done that. He couldn’t get the ball to him fast enough. So if Steph got going like that, every last one of them dudes, Draymond Clay, every last one of them dudes will make it their business to get him the basketball as much as possible, right?

So when you got a guy, when you got a guy who gets going like that, the other guys make it their business to make sure that that happens. Prime example, tone would be bird. Kevin Mihail had never scored six. Kevin Miha had never scored 50 and on a mar on an afternoon in March against the Detroit Pistons, he got it going. Bird’s gonna make sure that that happens. He can’t get him the ball fast enough. Every, every trip Bird is getting him the ball. So book Steph Curry, I think in his, I think when he got it going, I think Damien Lilly could, could get close to that.

That’s who I thought of. Yeah, I I think Damian Lilly could get close to that. Dame’s got that kind of game where once he gets going, all things considered, he’s, he’s virtually unstoppable. And when I say virtually, I I take that back. He’s unstoppable where you can’t really do anything with him. Another guy I’m thinking about is Jason Tatum. I think Jason Tatum can give you 75 to 80 once he gets going. He scored 60 already. Tom, I’ve already seen what in the last season. I’ve already seen him score 60.

So Hey

Speaker 1 (26m 45s): Tom, love. Yeah,

Speaker 2 (26m 46s): I’ve already,

Speaker 0 (26m 47s): I’m done with him.

Speaker 2 (26m 48s): Jay, what’s your Whoa, whoa, whoa. What’s the problem?

Speaker 0 (26m 52s): Look, here’s the thing. I was coming around to jt, I was like, okay, this is my season. I’m gonna give him a chance. He’s so inconsistent and like, I’m not a huge better, but like I, you know, I put a little in here and there, especially on jt, dude, I’m so, I don’t know, he, there’s just something about them. Like, they’re just so inconsistent.

Speaker 2 (27m 9s): Well, Oklahoma City scoring 150 on ’em,

Speaker 0 (27m 12s): That was, what was that? Like? You can’t just excuse something

Speaker 2 (27m 14s): Like that. No, when your

Speaker 0 (27m 15s): Full, when your full team is in, I don’t, I don’t think Rob Williams was in, but yeah,

Speaker 2 (27m 19s): That, that, that did not help. So we had, we, we, we had this discussion, how many guys do you think could get a hundred? And I don’t think that there’s a team that would allow if a guy got close to like 85 or like if we, we at the end of the third and the guys got 78, the team is like, yo, somebody else gonna have to do it cuz they, it it’s, it’s basically like you won’t want to give up the all time leading home run.

I don’t wanna be the pitcher to give that up, right? I don’t want to, this guy’s gonna rush for, he’s gonna break the Russian record. Well we don’t wanna be the team to do that. We don’t wanna be the team to let that happen. So if a guy got up to like 78 at the end of the third teams are like basically saying, yeah yo, we’ll put three guys on him before we let this dude go for 95 or a hundred. No way. You’re gonna have to make this, this guy or this guy’s gonna have to do it cuz you not gonna do it. We’ll put three, we’ll put four guys on you and make sure that you don’t do it.

Speaker 1 (28m 21s): So I got two guys. The good news is, I, I think I got two guys that you didn’t mention and I’m gonna start with the first one. And you’re, you’re not gonna understand this at first, but when I was at the game last night, I saw it was seven, nothing with five minutes to go in the, in the first quarter, seven, nothing.

Speaker 2 (28m 42s): It was seven to five at one point. I think it was like two minutes left

Speaker 1 (28m 46s): Order was like 12 to 10. Yeah. And Giannis still went for 36 or 34 points and 20 something rebounds.

Speaker 2 (28m 56s): Yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 (28m 57s): So here’s the thing, can someone do, I think someone can do it in, in a regular, in regulation time, 48

Speaker 2 (29m 5s): Minutes to

Speaker 1 (29m 6s): I, that’s where I struggle with because Wilt was playing 48.5 minutes

Speaker 2 (29m 11s): A game. He didn’t come out the game, he played the whole game,

Speaker 1 (29m 13s): Which just, that doesn’t happen anymore. So, so it’s interesting because my first impression when I thought was, well damn teams are scoring a buck 50 on the regular nowadays a buck 40 on a regular. So can someone score And that, I think that was the score. I think it was 1 45 when Wilt scored his hundred, right? Look at someone score a hundred. Yes. And I think it’s, for me it’s probably one of these two players or someone we haven’t seen yet. But I think it’s like a Giannis type of player who is gonna get out in a fast break and just dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk and get to the line.

And if he has a game similar to Wilts where he just, just is out of his mind, and I think Jordan said it, the the basket looked like a big old bucket and he’s just hitting his free throws. He’s, and he hits some threes and that’s the other part, right? They have the advantage of hitting threes and it needs to be a guy like Giannis who’s in shape, who could play the whole 48 minutes, right? Because my other choices is I’m thinking is Luca, cuz Luca can score 60, he’s on the team where he has to score, he can shoot and he can get hot from three.

That’s why Curry’s a good choice, right? Cuz Curry gets hot hits, you know, 25 threes and goes 25 of 30 for the, from the line. But I don’t think Curry plays 48 minutes either. I don’t think teams allow it to happen. Is to your point, from, from that, from that like, and I don’t mean the team, I I disagree with the opposing team. I think it’s the team that you’re on. I don’t think the, the team with the score lets them play that many minutes because if it’s a blowout they’re taking him out. Even Kobe’s 81, the game was close, which is probably why he was still playing.

I think just think about it, if you are star, if Giannis Luca, Steph has 80 points, 75 points at the end of the third and you’re up 30, you’re not playing ’em. That’s

Speaker 2 (30m 59s): Why Kobe came out against Dallas. I think he had that 63 at the end of the third. I think they were up 30 at the end of the third. That’s why he didn’t play the rest of the game.

Speaker 1 (31m 6s): Clay had a game where he scored, what is it like, wasn’t it like 60 in the first three quarters? Kobe had a couple of those games. They just pull him out because it’s a blowout. Wilts ego. Wilts ego in that day was, hey, you know, he, I wouldn’t be surprised if he said, Hey I’m, I think I I can do something, give the ball and if you don’t, I’m leaving the team. Like he could, he would just walk away. I’ll just leave. I’m out. It was him was him, I’m out, I’m out because check out this, check out this interesting stat that I heard and please correct me if someone knows it to be wrong, but I heard it so I’m gonna say it’s true.

Donovan Mitchell on his 71 point game scored or assisted on 99 of the Cavalier’s points 99. So he scored 71 and he scored and assisted on 99. Wilt scored a hundred points and scored and assisted on 104.

Speaker 2 (31m 57s): Think

Speaker 1 (31m 58s): About that. That was not passing the rock at all. So, so, so that’s what I’m saying is in, in today’s NBA where there’s the, I think the opportunity to do it, I think your own team isn’t gonna give you a chance to do it more so. But if I had to pick a player, I think it’s a guy like Giannis just getting hot because we know he’s gonna get his, we he’s gone for what, 40, 50, 50 in the finals, right? You can go for 50 just without shooting. So if he just gets hot from the outside and hot from the, from the free throw line, he can do it.

Luca Luca who’s the guy who’s the only guy who’s gonna score on his team? I think he could do it. And I think the one you said for sure Steph, I think because, just because of the three ball which makes what wilted or maybe did so much more impressive. Yeah, no threes

Speaker 2 (32m 46s): No three ball. Yeah, no threes, no no three ball. I just think that a guy like, because we’ve seen the book go for 71, I saw David Robinson

Speaker 1 (32m 54s): Go, but that’s controversial, right? Because he broke a rule and he shouldn’t have had that chance.

Speaker 2 (32m 59s): Which was, you

Speaker 0 (33m 0s): Mean

Speaker 1 (33m 0s): Donovan the B Yeah, Mitchell, the NBA came right out and said he, when he threw that off the, the missed the free throw on purpose, right? He stepped over the line before he was allowed to been a violation in violation of the game violation.

Speaker 2 (33m 11s): Well

Speaker 0 (33m 12s): The rest violations all the time and nothing happens to them.

Speaker 1 (33m 14s): So yeah, no, they’re the only ones who can get away

Speaker 0 (33m 17s): Outta here.

Speaker 1 (33m 19s): Weatherman. And when I say weatherman, I mean other people, they’re the only people wrong all the time and still get, get promotions,

Speaker 0 (33m 25s): Have their job. Yeah. Yeah. I’m curious though, like obviously the game changed a lot because of will, like people complained about him all the time, right? Because he was so dominant and you know, you, you had to make rules in order to like at least make it somewhat of a fair chance then it continued to change. We saw that through like mjs era and then now we look at the game and what do you think fluent when it comes to like, you know, Steph hitting a record or LeBron hitting a record and, and the coaches like taking them out or leaving them in. Like we don’t see that a lot.

Coaches are much more unwilling to let those players stay in to make something like that than they did back in the day. So I mean, are as a coach, would you be okay doing that? Do you agree with that or do you think coaches should allow some more records to be broken?

Speaker 1 (34m 9s): I’m a coach who left my starters in with my, with my youth team when we were up 62 to seven. So yeah, I’m, I’m I’m,

Speaker 0 (34m 17s): Aren’t they like 10?

Speaker 1 (34m 19s): Yeah, hell yeah. You gotta teach kids. Isn’t

Speaker 0 (34m 22s): There a role against that? Isn’t

Speaker 2 (34m 23s): There role

Speaker 1 (34m 25s): I got in trouble, I break the rules. Yeah. Kids need to learn how to lose and, and that makes them better I think and tougher. I agree. But yeah, no, I, I think, I think there is, I think there is a very bad situation where back then players played and you didn’t take them out unless they really needed to come out. Whereas in today it’s will play to a point, right? We talked about it before, this is why they don’t play 82 games anymore.

Now I’ve said this before, I think the reason is, well now there’s hundreds of millions in dollar, hundreds of millions of dollars at stake. So they’re not gonna put that at risk and they’re gonna take you out. Whereas back then there, there money wasn’t an issue. We’re gonna play wilt the, you know, the best player in the game, 48.5 minutes a game and, and, and that, that those days are done. So it would take I think a lot for someone to say like, you know, you’d have to come out at the beginning and say, I’m going for a hundred tonight. Yeah.

And you’d have to be, you know, close and, and I don’t think that’s, I, I just don’t think that’s gonna happen. And like I said, I think there’s people who are capable of doing it. I just, like I said, I don’t think, think they’re, again, I don’t think it’s the other team that’s gonna stop him. I think it’s your own team that’s gonna stop you from doing it. Which is, is too bad. It’s, it, I think it’s too

Speaker 2 (35m 45s): Bad. Phil Jackson, Phil Jackson said after he took Kobe out when he had them 63 and three quarters, it’s on record that he said cuz Kobe was on his way to get into a hundred points the way he was rolling that day, he was on way to doing that. No doubt about it. And Phil Jackson is on record saying some records don’t need to be

Speaker 1 (36m 5s): Broken. Don’t need to be broken there. There’s, and that, that is the thing. There might be people who don’t wanna break wilts hundreds, right? Barry Sanders, Barry Sanders, I know it’s football, but Barry Sanders came right out and said, Walter Payton’s a better running back than I am. I’m retiring. I don’t, I’m not breaking his rushing record. Right? Right. Like, I’m paraphrasing, but that’s what he said. Right? I

Speaker 0 (36m 23s): Bet, I bet Kareem wishes LeBron would have that type of respect.

Speaker 2 (36m 26s): I bet he, I bet

Speaker 0 (36m 27s): Dis LeBron.

Speaker 2 (36m 29s): I bet he and I get sucks

Speaker 0 (36m 32s): Cause people don’t talk about him enough anyway. Like people disrespect Kareem. So that’s the one thing he kind of, well not the one he has so much on, on his, that’s the one thing he, I think

Speaker 1 (36m 41s): He, you know, what if you were, if you were the all-time leading scorer, if you were the all-time leading scorer and someone was about to pass you and they said, well if that person becomes the all-time leading scorer, they’re the greatest ever. But you who currently hold the record, you’re not the greatest ever. If that person passes, it passes you. They’re the greatest scorer ever. But you who hold the record, you’re not in the conversation for the greatest score ever. You kind of be like, hold on on a second. Yeah,

Speaker 0 (37m 6s): No, I, it

Speaker 2 (37m 6s): Passes me.

Speaker 1 (37m 7s): He’s the greatest. But I who have the record, I’m not like, right. Yeah, I I understand. I’ve been to just as many finals as him. I’ve won more finals than he has, right? Like I under, I’ve have more MVPs like I can understand. Listen, to be a successful athlete, you have to have an ego, right? So I can understand where your ego’s like, hold on a minute, right? Like let’s, let’s rewind that back. I was gonna say this. There was a game in Washington Jordan’s second last or final year where he had eight points and Doug Collins was like, you know what, we have no shot.

We’re out of this game. We’re we’re not gonna come back. And he pulled Jordan out. What? He didn’t real, and this just goes to show you that they don’t pay attention to this stuff in the moment. Jordan had eight points and it broke his record of like 650 or whatever many games in a row where he scored double digits and he took ’em out in the third quarter and cost that streak. And he felt horrible. And Jordan typical Jordan was like, ah, he did the right thing. We were losing, I wasn’t playing great. Who, who cares about the record? But it just goes show in the moment.

You’re not thinking about it. Right? So, so that’s, that’s that’s my point is I just, I don’t think it’s

Speaker 2 (38m 15s): E even, even if that’s tru though tone to add to Haley’s point, you know, you hear a lot of people talk about, you know, Steph changed the game. Jordan changed the game. Chamberlain changed the game. He did. If anybody changed the

Speaker 0 (38m 30s): Game, literally

Speaker 2 (38m 31s): Had enough Chamberlain changed the game. Why do you think we have to stand behind the free throw line to shoot free throws? Well the reason why we gotta do that is because Wilt could dump from the free throw line without running. So the rules committee was like, wait a minute. No, you can’t do that. So now you gotta stand behind the free throw line. Why do you think that when the ball hits the top of the backboard that’s at bounds? Cause Wilt could touch the top of the backboard and he could grab the ball up the top of the backboard. No, no, can’t.

Speaker 1 (38m 57s): Why do you think, why do you think the cylinder for Golding goes all the way up? Infinity? It’s cause as the ball was coming in, what was I like?

Speaker 2 (39m 5s): What would just smack the ball out? So when you talk about a guy changing the game, they had to widen the lane had to

Speaker 1 (39m 12s): Wide chamber,

Speaker 2 (39m 13s): They had to widen the lane because of Chamberlain, right? You gotta stand behind the free throw line to shoot free throws because of Chamberlain. So when you talk about a guy changing the game, I think we get confused. There’s a difference between changing the game and enhancing the game. There’s guys who enhance the game will completely changed it. He made it, he made it completely different. Now you have to do this and now you have to do this. And everything that he did, all the rules that were changed, they were changed to hamper Wilt.

Even though Wilt still nominated.

Speaker 1 (39m 47s): Let’s, and let’s be clear, when we say Wilt, it’s, they knew that it wasn’t just Wilt there was gonna be right, right. It was at any clear that size, that speed that like, you know, we, people always wanna knock Will Wilt was doing this in Chuck’s, bro, have you ever tried to play basketball in Chuck’s?

Speaker 2 (40m 3s): Right?

Speaker 1 (40m 3s): Barely walking Chuck’s, Hey,

Speaker 2 (40m 6s): That’s who Wil that, that’s who Wilt was. Maybe like we, we talk about the myth of Wilt Chamberlain. You know, Jordan had, I think Jordan had 31, I think he’s got 31 50 point games for his career will have 45 in one season.

Speaker 1 (40m 19s): Yeah. That’s insane. That’s insane.

Speaker 2 (40m 20s): In one season we’ll have 45, 50 point games.

Speaker 1 (40m 24s): Like I said, like I said, he didn’t exist. He just wrote him into script. Right,

Speaker 2 (40m 27s): Right.

Speaker 1 (40m 28s): Him into scripture. He’ll, back to that, I, I’m more comfortable with that.

Speaker 2 (40m 33s): A lot of the

Speaker 1 (40m 34s): For Wilt

Speaker 2 (40m 35s): Of course, man, a lot of the stuff that you hear from Will, unless you actually saw it, there’s no way that you would believe it, right? There’s there’s no way that you, there’s no way that I’m believing that a dude went 14 for 14 for the game and then that record got broken by him when he went 15 for 15 in another game and then that record got broken by him. Cuz he went 16 for 16 in the game. I’m thinking to myself, yo, is this for real? Do we really have a dude running that that walked the planet?

That was that good. Gimme a break, yo. No way. And it, that, that was really going on. And a lot of people talk about Wilt skill. You know, wilt played against plumbers and Wilt wasn’t really that skilled Folks, let’s make sure that we remember before Wilt showed up in the N B A, he played for the Harlem Globetrotters and to play for the Harlem Globetrotters, you know, the, all of that good stuff. The Wilt was doing that. So because he was doing that, that enhanced his game when he showed up up to the nba. So I, to be honest with you, Tony, any stories that I hear about, will I believe him?

Speaker 1 (41m 40s): And let’s be clear cuz people say the Globetrotters, the Globetrotters were a solid team back then. Yes, they were. They became a showpiece now, but they were a very skilled basketball team back then in the, in the fifties and sixties.

Speaker 2 (41m 55s): So, sep except for the 20,000 chicks. I’m not buying that. I’m not, I’m not. Hey,

Speaker 0 (42m 3s): I dunno.

Speaker 2 (42m 4s): Hey, I dunno. Okay. Just so you know to, you’re all Laker fan. What I want you to do is I want you to fill up the state. It’s the state. It’s always gonna be the staple.

Speaker 1 (42m 12s): I did the math 16 to 68, 3 a day.

Speaker 2 (42m 15s): What? Come on to that’s, are you kidding me right now?

Speaker 0 (42m 18s): Lunch?

Speaker 2 (42m 20s): Anything possible? Come on man. I’m, I’m thinking, I’m thinking on a different line. I’m thinking, I’m thinking, I’m thinking fill the staple center with 19,000 chicks. There’s still another 1100 chicks waiting outside. No,

Speaker 0 (42m 33s): He’s a legend man. No, on and off the court

Speaker 2 (42m 37s): Salute. Like come on, be. And on top of that and on top of that, on top of all of that, you telling me Will, will, has no children running around here? Not one.

Speaker 1 (42m 47s): We know he does. We, like I said, besides grandkids, that’s his grandkid. That’s his grandkid. All right.

Speaker 2 (42m 54s): Oh my

Speaker 0 (42m 55s): God. Alright. Should we move on to the draft?

Speaker 2 (42m 58s): Let’s do it. Let’s do it. Shall we do it?

Speaker 0 (42m 59s): Do it.

Speaker 1 (43m 1s): So,

Speaker 0 (43m 1s): So if you guys missed you guys in the chat, if you’ve missed a couple weeks ago, I think is when we did it, we did an all-star draft and we’ve already done the starters, but we we’re gonna kind of adjust now that we actually, the first returns came out today. So we’ll adjust to that, right? Fluent?

Speaker 1 (43m 16s): Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. What we’re gonna do is, so we said we kind of, with the help of the chat, let me just adjust here and bring it up. We picked out who would be, here we go. We picked out who we thought was was gonna be, here we go. The starters and, and the bench. So what I’m gonna do is just based on the returns, we know that it’s Mitch and Kyrie leading so far. Like this may change. Yeah. But we’re gonna use the, the information we have today.

So we know Mitchell and Kyrie are leading the votes for guards. We know that Giannis, I believe Durant and Embi over your boy are leading for the forwards. So Embi. So we will then switch Embi down here with Hey Tom. All right. And up top. I think we got this one. We got Yoic, that’s, sorry, no Donk Curry who are leading Then we have, let me see here.

Oops. Let’s see who, who’s in the front court thought I had. Oh yeah, YOIC, YOIC, LeBron and Anthony Davis.

Speaker 0 (44m 28s): I know, which we predicted. We talked about that. That would come, but you know, obviously

Speaker 1 (44m 33s): You can’t believe that. So Davis, Davis knocks out. Oh, who did I knock out? Did you notice how I knocked out Zion? Yes. So we need to put Zion over who? So bonus marketing or pg

Speaker 2 (44m 47s): Well, I’ll tell you who Knock coming off. So Bonis leading league and rebounding. So bonus is an all-star, no doubt about that.

Speaker 0 (44m 54s): What, where is he though? Was he didn’t come out as an all-star, did he?

Speaker 2 (44m 58s): No, he didn’t.

Speaker 0 (44m 59s): He wasn’t on that list.

Speaker 1 (45m 0s): We’re gonna take, we’re gonna take, we’re gonna take out, we’re gonna take out marking and then, which is crazy. So, so this is, Hey, we got the starters. So here’s what we’re gonna do. Here’s how we’re gonna draft. So of these starters that are here, so of the top section here. Yep. We’re gonna pick our two guards and our three forwards.

Speaker 2 (45m 19s): Right.

Speaker 1 (45m 20s): And then we’re gonna, and then we’re just gonna draft our reserves, I think regardless of position and make our team

Speaker 0 (45m 26s): Okay.

Speaker 1 (45m 27s): Okay.

Speaker 0 (45m 29s): Starting with East?

Speaker 1 (45m 31s): No, no, no, no, no. It’s just like, just like the All-Star game. We don’t play east west anymore. Right. Ok, ok, ok. We got commissioner too. We got team. We got Team chill.

Speaker 2 (45m 40s): You got 12. Got

Speaker 1 (45m 41s): You said you didn’t want draft. You just No,

Speaker 0 (45m 42s): I’m the commissioner.

Speaker 1 (45m 43s): We’re the commissioner. Commissioner. Who’s going first?

Speaker 0 (45m 47s): So Jay, you start and then when it comes to bed,

Speaker 1 (45m 52s): Always Jay start say Hailey’s.

Speaker 0 (45m 54s): I always, I switched between you guys. I switch. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45m 56s): Hahaha.

Speaker 2 (45m 57s): I’m gonna start. Giannis is my guy.

Speaker 0 (46m 2s): Nice.

Speaker 2 (46m 3s): I’m picking Giannis to start. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (46m 5s): You’re taking Giannis to start. Okay. Yes I

Speaker 2 (46m 7s): Am. So

Speaker 1 (46m 9s): You are taking my player to start. Okay. That’s why I wanted to go first. So Giannis is off the books. So then I’m gonna take, oh, sorry. Giannis should be down here as a forward.

Speaker 2 (46m 24s): Yep.

Speaker 1 (46m 25s): Giannis. I’m gonna go son. I’m gonna take Luca.

Speaker 2 (46m 30s): You’re gonna take Luca. Okay, let’s see my other forward. I’m gonna take James.

Speaker 1 (46m 40s): Okay. I take

Speaker 0 (46m 42s): And Chad pay attention because we’re you, you guys and me are gonna, we’re gonna vote.

Speaker 2 (46m 46s): That’s at the center. Tone.

Speaker 1 (46m 48s): Oh. Oh, I’m sorry.

Speaker 2 (46m 50s): Underneath

Speaker 1 (46m 51s): All you taking, you’re taking Laumum. Here we go.

Speaker 0 (46m 58s): I dunno,

Speaker 1 (46m 60s): I’m gonna take, you know what I’m, I’m gonna go, I’m gonna go with Curry. I’m gonna take a solid back court back here. I’m gonna take

Speaker 0 (47m 7s): Curry all well done. Well

Speaker 2 (47m 8s): Done. I like

Speaker 0 (47m 9s): That. I like that duo.

Speaker 2 (47m 10s): I do like that. I

Speaker 1 (47m 11s): Take the west. That’s the west. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47m 12s): Let’s see. Cuz this is an all-star game and we want, we want star power, we want entertainment. I’m gonna go with Irv.

Speaker 0 (47m 23s): Nice.

Speaker 2 (47m 24s): Alright.

Speaker 1 (47m 24s): Read for you. Let’s see. So who do I got? I got, oh, shoot. So listen, I’m, I’m you you, you’re going for entertainment. I’m going for the win. I’m gonna take Durant. He’s, he’s, he’s highly, that’s a steal for me at number six.

Speaker 2 (47m 39s): Nice. All right. You’ll take Kevin Durant. I’m gonna go with the big fella. I’m gonna go with him

Speaker 1 (47m 51s): And be All right. So

Speaker 0 (47m 57s): Center of forward, you got,

Speaker 1 (48m 1s): Well, he’s got ibi. So I’m, I’m stuck with Yoic stuck

Speaker 2 (48m 8s): And

Speaker 1 (48m 8s): There’s no, and there’s no forwards left. So it looks like I’m, so I’m just gonna fill this out. I get Davis and Yoic and you get, and you get Mitch. Right?

Speaker 2 (48m 20s): That’s what I was gonna go with. Yep. Okay. I was gonna tell you I was gonna take Don.

Speaker 1 (48m 24s): So I’ll take, I’ll take Yoic. And what’d I say? Davis? I hope he’s day to day. Hopefully it’s a day playing. And you got Mitch

Speaker 2 (48m 35s): All

Speaker 1 (48m 37s): That’s Donovan Mitchell for those That

Speaker 0 (48m 39s): Pissed that you said stuck with yo,

Speaker 2 (48m 42s): Stuck with him.

Speaker 1 (48m 44s): No, I, no, I didn’t, my, my apologies. I didn’t, I didn’t say stuck. I spelled Don drunk, didn’t I?

Speaker 0 (48m 51s): Are you more of an MBI guy? Like would you, would you take

Speaker 1 (48m 54s): And be Oh, no, no. I meant stuck with Davis. I if I said yo.

Speaker 0 (48m 57s): Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 (48m 58s): Yeah, yeah. I, what I meant stuck is like there’s no other choice at that point. Yes. You don’t wanna take, so, so our starters, so our starters are, I’ve got Donk, Curry, and then Durant, Davis and Yoic. We have Kari, Mitch, and Bead. Giannis and LeBron.

Speaker 2 (49m 14s): Yep.

Speaker 0 (49m 17s): All right. Chad gonna shoot. Should we

Speaker 1 (49m 19s): Do a, we’re gonna shoot the lights out. We’re not gonna do it. No, no. We gotta pick our reserves.

Speaker 2 (49m 23s): We gotta pick our, we gotta pick our reserves too.

Speaker 1 (49m 25s): Full team. Full team. And I guess you’re, you’re going first. So who, you got

Speaker 2 (49m 29s): Me going first? No, you go

Speaker 1 (49m 32s): First. I’m gonna, man, you know what, I’m gonna take Zion. I want, I need some of those 360 dunks.

Speaker 2 (49m 46s): Yep. And I’m, I’m, I’m right along with you, so I’m going with y’all.

Speaker 1 (49m 50s): Damn it. I didn’t think you ran.

Speaker 2 (49m 51s): Take Ja. I’m right along with you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49m 54s): Got two favorite players are on the other two. We might have to, we might have to make a trade. I keep flipping back and forth cuz I just, I gotta check back here. Okay. I keep checking to make sure I’m not missing any Super chats. We will get to the Super Chats here in a minute. Yep. All right. All right. You’ve been taking my guys, I’m gonna take yours. I’m gonna take Tatum.

Speaker 2 (50m 16s): Okay. You gonna take Tatum? All right. Well, let’s see what I’m working with here. Cause I need some, I need some timely reserves cause I need more buckets. But I do need some dirty work guys too. But I’m gonna get to the dirty work guys in a little bit. So I need some more buckets and I need size. So let’s see here. I’m gonna take Brown.

Speaker 1 (50m 44s): Ah, okay. Brown. Bruce Tatum. All right. All right. Let’s see. Let’s see. Well, my team is built on, on scoring. My team is built on scoring. So let’s add another shooter into the mix. I’m gonna take Booker.

Speaker 2 (51m 6s): That’s cool. Yeah, he’s got a

Speaker 1 (51m 9s): Lot of scores. The sound you made, I don’t know that, that was cool, but, all right.

Speaker 2 (51m 12s): Nah, that’s cool. Let’s see here. I’ll take bam, bam. Off your hands. Okay.

Speaker 1 (51m 25s): Bam. I think bam. All right. Who we got? Who we got left? Hmm. Man, now it gets hard. Oh, no, no. I, you know what I need? I need someone. I, I need, you know what, I’m gonna take the young, I’m gonna take the young guy little, I like a little more speed on my team. I’m gonna add Fox,

Speaker 2 (51m 47s): Right? All right, you taking Fox? Let’s see. I got Ja, I got brown. I got bam. Who else is left? I need some more buckets, but I also, I like the athleticism too. I got the distributor. Hmm. I’m gonna take Ciak off your hands.

Speaker 1 (52m 16s): No, I was surprised you

Speaker 2 (52m 17s): Didn’t take them fluent.

Speaker 5 (52m 18s): You always say, you always say, he

Speaker 2 (52m 20s): Gets, I’m gonna take Ciak off your hands.

Speaker 1 (52m 22s): Take, take, take Ciak. Take. That’s, that’s good. He can’t score in the fourth quarter. Let’s see, let’s see. So this is an all-star game, and I just have a feeling this guy’s gonna do, what’s that thing where they dribble it between your legs and drives everybody nuts. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52m 40s): They put it

Speaker 1 (52m 40s): Through your legs.

Speaker 2 (52m 42s): I know what you’re talking about.

Speaker 1 (52m 43s): Yeah. Yeah. Trey Young’s gonna do that to all you have. I’m sure the child will tell me. It’s called la

Speaker 2 (52m 52s): I’m gonna take Halliburton off your hands

Speaker 1 (52m 55s): Hall. Ah, that was gonna be my next pick. That was gonna be my next pick, because I, I needed a distributor. Halliburton. All right, well, you know what? Since I didn’t get Siku, I’m gonna take, I’m gonna actually take a Canadian, I’m gonna take a true Canadian sg. Is it building?

Speaker 2 (53m 13s): Nice,

Speaker 1 (53m 16s): Not Meg. Yeah. I knew the chat would come through. It’s a

Speaker 2 (53m 19s): Nut Meg. Nut Meg.

Speaker 1 (53m 20s): And I believe in soccer. When I was a kid, we used to call it a sal salad. We kick it through someone’s leg and you had to beat on them until they touched a certain spot on the wall. But anyways,

Speaker 2 (53m 30s): Marant Brown, bam. Ciak, Halliburton.

Speaker 0 (53m 34s): No. Wants to more,

Speaker 2 (53m 41s): I got plenty of buckets, even though I’m, I’m, I’m literally digging DeMar, but I need dirty work guys. So I’m gonna take some bonus off your hands too.

Speaker 1 (53m 52s): All right. So there’s two picks left. Who’s left? Marda Rosen and PG three. Now that PG three could be also, could be, could also be Kauai Leonard. But I’m gonna take, I’ll take Paul George. Okay. I’ll take Paul George. And, and he should not be the last pick in the draft. But

Speaker 2 (54m 18s): You got, I’ll take the Rosen off your hands. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (54m 21s): You got DeMar DeMar. You got DeMar. Which means the more reasons you lost. Alright, so let’s recap. Let’s recap the team. Here we go. And then we will get to some Super chats. Yep. Damara, say it. Damara. I like it.

Speaker 2 (54m 36s): Nice.

Speaker 1 (54m 37s): Great commercial. I’m just reading the chat. That’s a great commercial. Let’s see here. So we got, so let’s recap. Let’s recap. So I’ve got Luca, Steph, YOIC, Durant. You already know when Curry and Durant are on a team, they don’t lose Anthony Davis. And again, we’re all assuming everybody’s healthy. Here, guys. Zion, Tatum, Booker, Fox, Trey Young, s g a, PG three. Chill has Kyrie, Mitch, Donovan, Mitchell, mbi, Giannis, LeBron Moran, Jalen, brown, bam, SICOM, Halliburton, sais, dn.

So in the chat, don’t be influenced by what you’re about to hear from Hailey in the chat. Just a vote for Fluent is for me, a vote for if Vote for Chill is for him, let your biases out because we know y’all like him more than me. Just look at the team. Hailey, your your thoughts, or do you or wait or do you wanna make a case for, for your team first?

Speaker 0 (55m 46s): No, no, I, let me just give my thoughts. So first, when I look at your starting vibes, I obviously, like you already said, we know Curry and Durant can play. You got yo kitchen there, play making Don in there as well, and ad at the room at any point. Like he can just hang under the room. So I feel like that is a little bit more well-rounded, just because, I mean, en Indeed is great. Giannis is great. LeBron’s great. I don’t know, it just, I feel like there’s, they’re both lacking defense for sure. Although a

Speaker 1 (56m 16s): Small star game who’s scoring 201st?

Speaker 0 (56m 18s): True, true, true. I guess that’s true. But I think that Chills bench is a little bit better. I think you have a lot of scoring, but

Speaker 1 (56m 25s): You are so biased. You

Speaker 0 (56m 26s): Have nothing. You have nothing. No. So I, I, I, I think if, if it comes down to starters, I gotta go fluent, but well full rounded. I gotta

Speaker 1 (56m 35s): Go. Who? Just stop beating around the bush. Who’s winning?

Speaker 0 (56m 38s): I gotta go Curry. Yeah, you’re more fluent. Yeah, I think you’re starting the lineup is really, really solid. It’s really, really sta solid. But I like Jalen Brown. Bam, bam. You can’t sleep on him. Halliburton eboni. Like, you got some, you got some good tools there.

Speaker 1 (56m 52s): What’s, what’s bam bam doing against Zion? Dude, is he gonna guard out the, in the perimeter? Yes,

Speaker 2 (56m 59s): He is. Yes.

Speaker 1 (57m 0s): Oh, what’s de who’s the DeMar? DeMar DeMar de Turns style ski guarding.

Speaker 0 (57m 7s): DeMar just scored like 45, like

Speaker 2 (57m 9s): A few 44. The up day 44.

Speaker 1 (57m 10s): You’re gonna let him shoot in an All-star game? Come on. All the chat. The chat. Disagree. The Oh no, the chat agrees with you. The chat is fluent and it’s closer than I, but than I thought it would be. But I, I, yeah. I finally got a win. Yes. I think it’s the first win I’ve ever had on you on one of these. Even though my team has always been better.

Speaker 2 (57m 30s): Never. Good

Speaker 0 (57m 31s): Job.

Speaker 1 (57m 32s): All right. Yeah, there’s no cool. Any final thoughts? Any final thoughts on,

Speaker 2 (57m 35s): I’m just looking at my second unit and I just think that we gonna outlash you dudes.

Speaker 0 (57m 39s): Yeah, I, this, that’s what I’m saying. Like your shirt, eh, I don’t know how that would like gel, but the bench for sure is, is

Speaker 1 (57m 45s): So you’re, so you’re saying, you’re saying you’re, what are, where are you? Where is, you’re saying

Speaker 2 (57m 50s): The point that, the point that I’m making with my, with my second, with my second unit? Yeah. What we gonna do is we’re gonna speed the game up just like you dudes are, but we’re gonna speed the game up in a more dynamic fashion with Ja, with Jaylen Brown. Bam is gonna speed the game up, right? Halliburton is gonna speed the game up. Bam is gonna rebounds, Bonis is gonna rebound and we’re gonna get out on the open floor. Brown is gonna crack the long ball. Ja Morant’s gonna crack the long ball and we’re gonna be able to get up on you guys. Once we get up on you guys, the starter’s gonna come back in.

They’re gonna hold it down.

Speaker 0 (58m 22s): Yeah. Where’s

Speaker 1 (58m 24s): Your I’m I, it’s funny that you said you’re gonna speed up the game. When my center’s gonna be Zion, my power forward’s gonna be Tatum and then I’m gonna have a combina. Now I’m never gonna just play my bench. I’m always gonna have some of my starters in there. But I’m gonna have Booker Fox Young and sgs Fox. Isn’t Fox like the fastest player? Him and Moran, right? Oh, so Iran

Speaker 2 (58m 44s): Fox gets up and down the floor. Yes, he does.

Speaker 1 (58m 46s): Ah, I feel, I feel good about my, I feel good about my team. All right, now there might be some people we gotta switch out later cuz who knows what the votings,

Speaker 2 (58m 53s): I think we serve y’all. Tone 1 55 to one 40. I think we serve y’all

Speaker 1 (58m 58s): Well, the chat says I win 1 55 to 1 47. Where’s the

Speaker 0 (59m 2s): We gotta, yeah, we need a poll,

Speaker 1 (59m 3s): But yeah, we don’t have polls. But just look up again. You can So bonus carrie’s chill team. For sure. Oh my God, that must be, we got a, we got a Sacramento fan in the house. Oh, but wait, wait, I got Fox. I got Fox. All right. Yeah. I love these drafts. All

Speaker 0 (59m 22s): Right. That was a good one. That was a good one. They’re close. They’re close. All right. Should we do some super chats?

Speaker 2 (59m 28s): Let’s do it. That good?

Speaker 0 (59m 29s): I think we got a few at the beginning. If you guys have any questions, always drop ’em.

Speaker 1 (59m 33s): I will. Let me just close that out. And let me, let’s get to the super chat. We’ve got some super chats.

Speaker 2 (59m 39s): We got,

Speaker 0 (59m 41s): Who’s winning? Jay, are you watching Celtics

Speaker 2 (59m 44s): Or is that They won already. They already, they already, they they beat Dallas. Sergio.

Speaker 0 (59m 47s): I came, started out so slow and so gross. Jaylen had like 3000 end of the first Okay. Assist. What’s up? Y’all said 23 Luca is better than 23 Braun age, but y’all also mentioned that mention the influx of scoring in this era. What does 29 7 and seven look like in this era?

Speaker 2 (1h 0m 8s): What does 29 7 and seven look like in this era?

Speaker 1 (1h 0m 11s): You all said 23 Lus better than 23. Ron, did you say 23 Lus better than 23? Bro, I thought I didn’t say that you were one that would’ve stuck with, with your mind. I,

Speaker 2 (1h 0m 20s): I, I don’t, I don’t remember saying that. What I do remember saying is that James being the athlete that he is and the transition player that he is, I think that that’s the separator because in terms of the numbers, I mean they’re not that far off. I mean at age 23, that was G F five. I think James is shooting 31% on the long ball. Lucas shooting 35, they both shooting around 50% from the floor. So it’s not like Luca is ridiculously efficient. Right. Luca’s shooting what, 75% from the stripe?

James is shooting 71, so it’s not like it’s that far off. But James today, I mean I don’t think he was 29. Was he 29? Seven and seven. If he’s 29, 7 and seven Back then today the transition player that James’, how fast he gets up and down the floor. I ain’t even talking about him shooting the long ball. Even though he was averaging five, five threes a game, just five, three point attempts a game and he was, he was cracking I think almost two of them. But even still, if he’s 29, that 29 could probably translate to like 36 or 37 today.

Considering he’ll probably get to the strike more because they blow the whistle a little bit more today. In terms of the game being as wide open as it is, he’ll get more transition points today. Add that to the fact that them seven assists. Even with the dudes that he was playing against James’ ability to pass, he’ll get more guys open. Not only will he get more guys open, he’ll convert more. So I think that could, that 29, 7 to seven could be something like 36, 10 and nine.

Speaker 0 (1h 1m 48s): Do you guys have to,

Speaker 2 (1h 1m 50s): To

Speaker 1 (1h 1m 50s): Redo? I’m just, I’m just surprised like 50,

Speaker 2 (1h 1m 52s): 20 and 27. No, we’re not, we’re not, we’re not being goofy now. Not it’s

Speaker 1 (1h 1m 58s): LeBron James. Anything is possible. So I think, I think the majority of us did say Luca 23 over LeBron at 23 just then, because at that point, LeBron had no post-up game. LeBron had a no no kind of mid-range. No, no jump shot wasn’t there yet. Right. We all agree he got better. And so this, that’s not the conversation. It was at that point in their, up to that point in their careers. So I think to answer the question, I think Luca, because of the jump shot, because of, because of some of those things that LeBron still was relying on his, his athleticism and he didn’t have to work on it.

Then once he realized, oh, I need to do something to get better, he got got better at all those things. Right? That being said, 29, 7 and seven, I even in today’s era, I think, bro, it’s not much. I think it’s like 32, 9 and eight, right? But I think it’s more because the speed of the game is picked up. Yes. So his numbers go up, but I think also I’m seeing guys play a little bit less. So I just, I I don’t think he’ll even play the same amount of mens. I think he plays two minutes less. So I think for him to go up to 32, 33, 9 and eight, I, I think it’s, I I think that, I think it is more, I think it’s more of a, it it could go up higher if he had to.

Right? But I think when you look at averages over the course of a season, he gets three to four more points a game, couple more rebounds and, and another assist or vice versa. A couple more assists and one more rebound.

Speaker 2 (1h 3m 27s): Now mind you, Tom, we talking about a dude who at that time, if I’m not mistaken, James played almost 40. I think he either played 40 or close to 40 minutes a game. So if you dropping two more minutes. Yeah. He’s still playing 38 minutes a game. And if he’s playing that much, I mean that’s probably three or four. That’s at least five more points.

Speaker 1 (1h 3m 44s): Well, he’s playing, he’s playing two, he’s playing three or two or three more less minutes. He’s probably taking four or five more shots, which means he’s making two or three more. Right? Right. And he’s assisting on one or two more. So that’s why I’m, that’s, that’s why I say that I don’t think the numbers go up significantly. Right. Because he’s all around, like if he was a scorer, like if he was, if if James was no 32, no, James was 27, 5 and five, I’d say, oh, his points go way up.

Cuz that’s what he focuses on, right? So his points go to your point 36, 37 a game. But he’s not, I see that he’ll, I just see him doing more scoring, rebounding, assist doing some of that stuff. He, and here’s the other thing he, which we don’t give credit for in basketball, unfortunately, he’s, he is a facilitator and I think he gets a lot of what we call the hockey assist where he makes a pass that leads to another pass that leads to a bucket. So I think in, in today’s game, when he was back then more athletic, kind of moving up and down the court quicker, he’s facilitating a lot, a lot more than scoring.

So that’s why I just say I don’t think it, it’s, it’s his mentality to score more. Can he score 36, 37, 38, 10 and 10. Yeah. He has full capability of doing that. I just don’t think it works out that way.

Speaker 2 (1h 4m 59s): It, it’s, it is crazy. Two tone to think that a guy who averaged 27 a game for his career is not a scorer. That he’s more of a facilitator. Right. Who averaged over 27 a game for over 15 years. This dude doesn’t really look to score the basketball that much when in reality yes he does. He averages over 30. Yes he does. Right. So he averaged almost, he averaged almost 30 a game in the playoffs. So

Speaker 1 (1h 5m 19s): He also, he’s also 12 all time in field goal attempts per game. So let’s not confuse it with like Right. He doesn’t try, he tries to

Speaker 2 (1h 5m 24s): Score. Right? He shoots the basketball. Like let, let’s make sure that we clear about this dude that he does shoot the basketball and he does look to score, but he also looks to make the right play too. And just because his assist total is as high as it is, does not take away from the fact that this dude is buckets.

Speaker 1 (1h 5m 39s): Oh yeah, a hundred percent. He’s he’s top five score of all time. Right. And you have to put him there. Right.

Speaker 2 (1h 5m 44s): All right.

Speaker 0 (1h 5m 46s): Okay, next up. Adrian Sheik said, any chance the bears the first pick? Don’t remember the last time it happened. Oh, got the first pick. Don’t remember the last time it happened. What would be the best case scenario for them in terms of team trading and needs

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 2s): For, for the Bears? Great question for the bears. The prob

Speaker 0 (1h 6m 5s): Chill on. Chill on the

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 7s): Pole. Looks like, what’s that?

Speaker 0 (1h 6m 9s): Chill on the pole. I’m sorry. You were so close. You were percent off.

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 14s): What, what, what do you mean

Speaker 0 (1h 6m 16s): About you guys? About your guys’ draft? I think Ron made it happen and

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 21s): Lost. Oh, there’s a poll. Yes. And I lost in a, there’s a poll and I lost,

Speaker 0 (1h 6m 26s): I’m sorry.

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 27s): You’ve got to be kidding me. Hate

Speaker 0 (1h 6m 28s): To break it to you, but,

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 29s): So the people in the chat didn’t vote because in the, in the chat there was way more flu than chills. Let me see. I’m now you’re making me, now you’re making me.

Speaker 0 (1h 6m 37s): Maybe Ron, maybe, I don’t

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 39s): Know Ron, Ron something changed this or maybe,

Speaker 0 (1h 6m 41s): I guess you got too cocky.

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 42s): Yeah, I feel, no, I feel like Dub went into the and made this pool.

Speaker 2 (1h 6m 47s): Oh man,

Speaker 0 (1h 6m 48s): I’m sorry.

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 49s): I don’t, it was close. I don’t see a pool. I don’t see a,

Speaker 0 (1h 6m 53s): Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 55s): 50 to 49. You were so close. How is it? 50 to 49. That just tells you right there, that’s impossible. So 1% is undecided. Yep. Impossible.

Speaker 0 (1h 7m 4s): I don’t know where that went. I dunno

Speaker 1 (1h 7m 6s): Where that went. You can’t do that. That’s, I that is impossible. Ipo impossible. Open up the, the poll again that’s re just, yeah, Ron, just this, all right. The Bears speaking on another team getting robbed the bears.

Speaker 2 (1h 7m 19s): Since we on a subject that’s of, of, of, of, of, of somebody.

Speaker 1 (1h 7m 23s): Geez. The best case scenario for the Bears is that they take that if, if they were, I, I guess the question is if they were to win and get, cuz I think they probably have the second or third worst record. So they should have the second or third pick, even if it’s the first, second or third. I think the best case scenario Is that they trade down and so they take that first or second overall pick for especially someone who needs like a quarterback. Trade that down for two. Cuz you can get like the number, I don’t know, the eight pick and that’s couple of second rounders and shore up that offensive line, get some defensive help.

And then, and then if we’re going crazy, they need to sign a number one wide receiver to help Justin Fields out. So I think best case scenario is to trade down and load up pics because what they’ve done two times in the last, I wanna say five or six years once with the 49ers, if you remember for that horrible Mitch Trubisky draft, right? Yes. Was trade a bunch of their draft capital to move up one spot to get a bad quarterback. Then couple years ago now we’re starting to light the Justin Fields pick, but they traded mixed away to move up to that spot to get Justin Fields.

So I think they need to now take that now that they, they feel they have their quarterback and, and trade down and rebuilt up some of that draft Cal capital cuz they need offensive line help. And their defense is, is actually better than we think. They’re just young, right? Cuz they traded away everybody. Like, they let Khalil Mack walk, they traded my guy Roan Smith, like another guy went to Tampa Bay Hicks, like they just let a lot of their guys go. So they’re just, they’re rebuilding with youth. So it’s always good to get some draft capital and, and, and do that.

And the Bears historically anyways haven’t done, like, if you look at their first round picks, they haven’t been good. All their kind of historically best players have been second, third, fourth round picks. So they’re actually better at, at discovering some of that talent. So I I’d say do that for them.

Speaker 2 (1h 9m 16s): Yeah, I can get with that because there is no cause with the Bears, you already know Tony, I mean you’ve said this countless times to me, there is no quick fix with the Bears. They’re in rebuild mode. They’re rebuild you lost Jefferson. So you, you you lost Jefferson, you lost Raquan. Your running back situation with Montgomery. I really don’t know what to do with him. You know what, there, there’s a,

Speaker 1 (1h 9m 37s): I like Montgomery and Khalil Herbert as a tandem. As long as they don’t have to overpay him. Okay. With that

Speaker 2 (1h 9m 43s): I, I I just, I’m just trying to make sense of how we’re moving forward, right? So with that team, we in rebuild mode and you got your quarterback, it sounds like you have your quarterback. So because you have your quarterback, we gotta build around this dude soundly, right? So we gotta get, we gotta get the running game going and that means that Montgomery’s gotta get better. We gotta get a wide receiver, we gotta get somebody that he can throw to and the tight end position gotta get showed up too. Tone. Because when the last time the Bears had a really good though, damn it,

Speaker 1 (1h 10m 16s): I’m interrupting you. Read that

Speaker 2 (1h 10m 19s): In my defense, I voted for chill and I wasn’t here. My bad fluent, they

Speaker 6 (1h 10m 24s): Didn’t even look

Speaker 2 (1h 10m 26s): Another dude, I think there was another dude who said in the chat that

Speaker 1 (1h 10m 29s): Is going,

Speaker 2 (1h 10m 30s): There was another dude in, I think it was another dude in the chat said Doug paid him $10 to vote for me. I believe that

Speaker 1 (1h 10m 38s): I knew it, I knew it.

Speaker 2 (1h 10m 41s): So

Speaker 1 (1h 10m 42s): Yeah, no, you tight. End tight.

Speaker 2 (1h 10m 45s): That’s

Speaker 1 (1h 10m 46s): Cots coming around. Cots coming around now

Speaker 2 (1h 10m 48s): Because I, I, I think that to have, that’s, that’s one of the main reasons why the 49ers are as good as they are because Kittle is, is so much of a safety net that he can just bring so many more different options to the offense. That’s why Lamar Jackson was doing what he was doing last season before he got hurt, when they started to implement Mark Andrews on the offense more. So I think that if you could show up your tight end situation, I think that that would help a lot.

Speaker 1 (1h 11m 12s): Okay. I I like to come. Hey, another one here. He’s no George Kittle. You’re right. So I’ll take it right.

Speaker 0 (1h 11m 18s): Okay. Brian Holliday said, what do you think about putting Luca more in the short role? I think it would be a good way to get players touching the ball in a possession.

Speaker 2 (1h 11m 28s): The short role. I I need you to elaborate on the short role. What do you mean the short? Are you saying short

Speaker 1 (1h 11m 33s): Roll,

Speaker 2 (1h 11m 34s): Short pick and roll. Yeah, right. Just the, the short pick and roll. So basically like a pick and pop with him where he’s, where he has the ball and he’s in a pick and pop situation. I think that that would work short term. But I think you clog in the lane when you do stuff like that because when you’re talking about picking and popping, you can’t really stretch the defense with Christian Wood. Right? You can’t really stretch the defense with him picking and popping with Hardaway because that’s easy to cover, especially in the short role.

Now, I I

Speaker 1 (1h 12m 8s): I Do you want him, do you want him, do you want him doing it with, with Tim Hardaway? Who’s the second worst of those who qualify?

Speaker 2 (1h 12m 13s): No, I don’t.

Speaker 1 (1h 12m 14s): Gold percentage in the

Speaker 2 (1h 12m 16s): Nba. No I don’t. B Bullock neither. No I don’t. Finn Smith, I do not. Lucas’s game. Luca’s game is predicated on spreading the floor and getting wide open. So if you put him in the short game, I don’t want Luca, if Luca’s gonna play in the mid-range, especially if he’s gonna play short pick roll. I want guys diving into the basket. That’s what I want more than anything.

Speaker 1 (1h 12m 37s): Brian. The only thing that can, it’s not system, it’s his roster stinks. That’s, that’s what they Dallas needs to do, is, is

Speaker 0 (1h 12m 44s): They’re not a bad group of guys, they’re just not the right crew together, I think is what’s

Speaker 1 (1h 12m 48s): What’s, I’m not, I’m never taught that they’re bad. Sure. I’m sure they’re great guys have a beer anytime. They’re just not the right fit. Yes. Fit around Luca to be, to win a championship, right? That’s not the right team around him. Yeah,

Speaker 2 (1h 13m 1s): It’s, and you notice as well as I do, Tom, when you get to the playoffs, those things right there that’s going on with Luca where he’s as successful as he is, when we get to focus primarily on that, we shut all of that stuff down.

Speaker 1 (1h 13m 13s): Yeah. Oh yeah. That’s, that’s the problem. And they’re gonna blame it on Luca, but it’s not his fault entirely.

Speaker 0 (1h 13m 23s): Okay. Fluent on Tuesday when saying Kobe tried to stack the deck also, I was referring to Nash and Howard, Kobe did fail with that. Love the show. Keep it up fluent.

Speaker 1 (1h 13m 34s): When Kobe stacked the deck, Kobe again stacked the deck. When, when, when he got a older Nash and a disjunct and a disgruntled Howard, he didn’t make those picks. That was, that was the nba. No one says the Celtics stacked the deck when they made the trades to bring Ray Allen and KG to Boston Stack. When people say stacking the deck is a bunch of dudes, you know, colluded in the off-season said, Hey, let’s all play together. I don’t, and just to be clear, I don’t adhere to that.

I say go ahead and make whatever decision you wanna make when you’re a free agent. Go do whatever you want to do and build your team. I’ve ne I I’ve told you guys, I don’t even believe in super teams. I think people come together, they and they play. No one did any, any of those guys. I don’t hold it against any of those guys that did any of that. So again, Kobe didn’t stack the deck. He didn’t tell Howard, Hey, come here. Right? You’re my guy as a free agent in sign here. Hey Nash, him and Nash. You think him and Nash were buddies? They weren’t buddies. And didn’t that all happen after the NBA robbed the Lakers of a Chris Paul trade that was agreed upon.

Speaker 2 (1h 14m 38s): David Stern absolutely put the kabash on that. He was like, Nope. That’s,

Speaker 1 (1h 14m 42s): You know, like, like gimme a break. Give a break Next. Thanks for the super chat though David.

Speaker 0 (1h 14m 51s): David, why is Will considered the goat unbreakable records rules change to stop him face tough competition outta his position, losing record in finals like LeBron James, which I think we’ve talked about this, but still a good question on. Well

Speaker 2 (1h 15m 4s): He, I I don’t think will won enough, but he is in the goat conversation. Absolutely. He’s in the gold conversation. And James, I think when James retires, he’s gonna have a legacy like Wilt except he won more. That’s why he’s higher on the list because he won more for that specific reason.

Speaker 0 (1h 15m 23s): Well Jay, I I’m just curious really quick because when you look at LeBron’s career, obviously LeBron has had a much longer career than will only play like 12, 13 season. So you’ve taken that into consideration, you taken, but then again it’s the era and people, you pulled the era card to say, well this is why he was able to do all these things. But when you look at like videos of, of old players and legendary players, a lot of them actually say Will, even MJ I think has like, you know, discussed,

Speaker 2 (1h 15m 50s): I I,

Speaker 1 (1h 15m 52s): It’s the first name that comes outta mjs mouth is I can’t say I’m the goat because I never gotta play against Wilt. I never gotta play against Russell. I didn’t get to play against

Speaker 2 (1h 15m 60s): Jerry West. Sky’s

Speaker 1 (1h 16m 1s): Like Jerry West. Yeah, those are the three names. He says, yeah,

Speaker 2 (1h 16m 3s): I got, I got Wilt in the top five, I got Wilt fourth all time. And I think he’s absolutely in the conversation to be the best ever. So, you know, all every, every great, every record in NBA history got will name attached to it. Either he either holds it or he held it at some point. So there’s no way that you could have a guy that’s done that much and every time he’s won the NBA championship, it’s been done in dramatic fashion. I mean the 67 championship number one, that’s probably, you can argue that that’s the best Philadelphia 76 team.

They were the Philadelphia Warriors at that point. But that’s the best Philadelphia, was it the Warriors or the, I think they was the 76 s. I’m sorry that might be the best 76 team that ever played there. That’s number one. Number two, that’s the only team that built that beat. The six that, that beat the Celtics in the sixties. No other team beat, beat the Celtics in the sixties. That’s number one. Number two, when they won the NBA championship in 72, that team broke that. That team still holds the record today in 20 22, 50 years ago for the most wins in, in, in in the season in terms of a streak.

They won 33 straight games, will won the finals v p that year. He came in second in League MVP votes and he averaged almost 20 and 20 in the finals that year. So I mean everything that Wilt does and, and, and they also, I think they won 72, 70 70 games, 69 games that year. Yeah. 69 games that year and 72. So every major record got wilt names attached to it on some level. So

Speaker 0 (1h 17m 28s): Yeah. Doesn’t he has like an insane amount of records Right. And broken and they’ll never be broken. Right. Yeah. I guess when it comes to like, as an individual, sure you could maybe Crown will the best individual player one of the best. But when it comes to like the go, I mean you have to take into account team wins and, and,

Speaker 2 (1h 17m 45s): And I’ll and I’ll buy

Speaker 1 (1h 17m 46s): You don’t have to, you don’t have to. Well, yeah, but I mean, but if I’m an, if I’m answering this question, why isn’t Wilt considered the goat? I think it’s interesting because with Wilt they bring up, had a losing record in the finals, which I think is hilarious because for others, you know who they don’t bring that up, right? Two, I actually think all the records he holds hurts him in in the general consensus. Not people who actually pay attention. Like, I mean in general because people look at all those records and say, see look how easy it was for him.

He was so much better than everybody else. There wasn’t a lot of teams look at these players and they, and they always bring up guards. These guys sucked. But he, you know, I always say this, if there was eight teams in the league and there was six good centers or five good centers, you were playing a good center every other night. You didn’t get up, you, you didn’t get to go up against, you know, trash centers. Four out of the five nights Dwayne

Speaker 2 (1h 18m 39s): Changed.

Speaker 1 (1h 18m 40s): Yeah. And you know, once, once a week you had a tough matchup or once a month depending on what conference you

Speaker 2 (1h 18m 45s): Right.

Speaker 1 (1h 18m 46s): Yeah. Kak. You didn’t have Bryant Big country Reeves, right? You didn’t have to go up against Stro Miles Swift. Like you actually had to go up against these guys all the time. Right? Just imagine even in, in today’s nba, just think about name me the five top centers in the league

Speaker 2 (1h 19m 0s): Today, today,

Speaker 0 (1h 19m 2s): Yobe

Speaker 2 (1h 19m 4s): The five man, bam,

Speaker 0 (1h 19m 6s): Bam,

Speaker 2 (1h 19m 7s): Rudy A

Speaker 1 (1h 19m 16s): Okay

Speaker 0 (1h 19m 16s): Aan. Yeah. Aans pride. Yeah. Up

Speaker 2 (1h 19m 18s): There it’s a bonus also

Speaker 1 (1h 19m 20s): That’s, it’s a bonus. But

Speaker 0 (1h 19m 21s): Then you drop off to like BVI and

Speaker 1 (1h 19m 23s): Right, so you’ve got six or seven and then you got 23 that aren’t, so when you play 29 other teams, 27 out of the 30 times you’re playing up against a guy that’s maybe shouldn’t even be a starter. Whereas imagine if there was only 10 teams now you’d be going up against that center now. So, so you add in the fact losing record in the finals was somehow matters for him. The fact that he has all those records, which to their logic means, well that means it’s cuz he didn’t have competition.

Right? And there was only fewer few teams and he could never get it done. That’s why he is not in the go conversation is because if if, if he were doing that in any other era, he’d be in the, at minimum in the conversation. So, so that’s why I think what holds him back for me it’s a lot of other things but cuz he didn’t actually exist but for the, on their, I’m speaking on everybody else’s behalf.

Speaker 2 (1h 20m 15s): Ah-huh.

Speaker 0 (1h 20m 16s): Yeah. All right. Alright. Jeremiah Smith, JD and open on open gym made me think players are supposed to be so much more skilled today. What does the NBA look like with the sixties rules? No three line strict palming calls, no three second violation for bigs, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (1h 20m 35s): I think it looks a lot different because you could say the same thing about the sixties. What happens in the sixties, if there is a three point line and there is no palming and there is a three second lane violation, how much better would Jerry West be? Right? How much better would Elgin bayla be? How much better would these guys be when stuff that didn’t

Speaker 1 (1h 20m 58s): Beat Merritt shoot like 40% from three in the five seconds that he played with a three point,

Speaker 2 (1h 21m 3s): Right? So, right. So in, when you got guys that’s playing like that with those rules, how much better would they be? I think their skill level goes up because now I can enhance my skill level because there is no palm and rule. I’m, I’m basically playing based on how the rules are. So if traveling is called stricter than what it normally is, now I gotta work on my footwork. I gotta be real cognizant of that, right? If they call palming, I, well I gotta be more C they ain’t calling if I’m dribbling my right hand as opposed to my left hand, stuff like that.

So if that’s going on today, I think it’s way different.

Speaker 1 (1h 21m 40s): It’s, it’s so funny too because just at the game last night, yep, Giannis got called for three, three times palming most I’ve ever seen. But it, but I saw it is literally went underneath

Speaker 2 (1h 21m 51s): The ball and goes under the ball.

Speaker 0 (1h 21m 52s): He

Speaker 1 (1h 21m 53s): Does do, and in the sixties it was, if it was on the side of the ball, it was palming you

Speaker 2 (1h 21m 57s): On top.

Speaker 1 (1h 21m 58s): Today you take it to the side, almost to the bottom. I’ve talked about that clip of Ja Morran where it shows a bunch of them where he does it like 10 times underneath the ball. Yeah. Like every single thing would be called. It’s honestly, it’s, the reason it’s not is because it takes away from the excitement of the game.

Speaker 2 (1h 22m 16s): And that’s how it was taught too to the like,

Speaker 1 (1h 22m 18s): People get crossed over and you know, freaking they ankles and you can’t do that when you gotta dribble it like this.

Speaker 2 (1h 22m 24s): Right. And on top of that ain’t, that’s, that’s how it, that’s how it’s taught in terms of having a ball your hand on the side of the ball. It’s taught that way. So yeah, yeah, yeah. It’d be pretty difficult to just, now I gotta get away from that and I gotta put the ball on the top of my hand and dribble like this as opposed to being able to handle it that way. So I think it’s completely different. I think it would be completely different. No doubt.

Speaker 1 (1h 22m 47s): No, no, no. Thank you Jeremiah.

Speaker 0 (1h 22m 52s): Okay. Imagine o KC with Chet in B shape with Weby.

Speaker 2 (1h 22m 57s): They’re still kids with, so let me get this straight. So how

Speaker 0 (1h 23m 0s): Is that gonna happen anyway? Like how that

Speaker 2 (1h 23m 2s): Happen? Even, even, let’s just say for the sake of argument, WEBY is in Oklahoma City, so I got an 18 year old and a 19 year old. So they basically go,

Speaker 1 (1h 23m 8s): It could happen because o KC has the Lakers first pick, right?

Speaker 2 (1h 23m 12s): The

Speaker 1 (1h 23m 12s): Lake and the Lakers stink and have a possibility of winning the,

Speaker 2 (1h 23m 16s): So, so even if that’s true to, okay, I got an 18 year old and a 19 year old and I got sga, what are they really doing in today’s game today as opposed to all the other teams that are running around Dallas is running around, Memphis is running around, what is an 18 year old, a 19 year old SGA doing in the Western conference? I’ll tell you what they’re doing. Nothing.

Speaker 1 (1h 23m 38s): It’s not, you’re not gonna get an argument from me because I’m gonna tell you, find me, find me some quality seven skinny seven footers. You got the ranch, you don’t one be either. I, I just, not that I don’t believe in it, it’s that I’ve been burnt too many times, right? To say like, I’ve not seen a six 11 or taller skinny guy be successful. Anthony Davis started off as a skinny guy. He got better, but he’s still injury prone and as good as he is when he is healthy.

Okay, Chet, look, Chet, if you remember the play where he got hurt, what did he do? He was going for a layup I think. No, he was playing defense. Looked at LeBron and got hurt. He literally snapped. He snapped the bone just looking at LeBron coming at him. Right. So you laughed. But that’s what happened. So, you know, putting them both on the same team, you know, what do I imagine, I imagine a lot of time in the training room, I imagine a lot of time in the hospital in rehab. That’s what I, that’s what I imagined from these two guys. And until I’m proven otherwise, because it’s funny, I asked this question because everyone argues this point with me.

I asked this question and no one, no one can gimme an answer. Tell me a skinny seven footer who’s lasted and had a great career and the only guy is Kevin Duran because he plays out on the perimeter, right? And I know these guys are, at least when Bema is supposed to play out on the perimeter, but I haven’t seen him do it yet in the nba. No offense to the French League. It’s not the same. Euro ball is great, don’t get me wrong. But it’s not the nba. And so I just, I wanna see it happen because for every one of those guys I’ve seen, you know, the Sean Bradley’s and the Stile Swifts and the, like I said, I could throw ad in there a bunch of guys who just, they’re skinny and they’re like, hey, if they bulk up the th makers, right?

Oh, if they bulk up, you know, bowl, bowl, everybody’s so excited about Bull Bowl Bull bowl’s averaging six and six. Like he’s not setting the world on fire. He’s nice. It’s fun to watch. Yeah,

Speaker 2 (1h 25m 36s): But I’m, I’m thinking about cuz I, like I said wema, I think he’s the future of basketball. You already heard me say that to, but if we gonna put these two dudes on the crew right now, I think they struggle now if you’re talking about moving down the line and they’re gonna beef up and they’re gonna get stronger and they’re gonna get better, that’s something completely different. But I’m talking about right now, they’re gonna struggle. No doubt about that. I think that they’re gonna struggle.

Speaker 1 (1h 26m 1s): I agree. Do, do, do. I was, I’m, I’m in too much

Speaker 2 (1h 26m 6s): Drink

Speaker 1 (1h 26m 7s): More

Speaker 2 (1h 26m 8s): Water.

Speaker 0 (1h 26m 10s): Okay. It would have to be a big, big get easier buckets or baskets. And that was in relation to what we were talking about earlier.

Speaker 1 (1h 26m 18s): Oh is that for Luca?

Speaker 0 (1h 26m 22s): Who would score, who could score a hundred or get close to that? Oh, a bit. Yeah. And then you said gni, you said Donna and, and he agreed Yes. You

Speaker 1 (1h 26m 29s): Think ibi You think ibi if he gets crazy, like hot from three as low

Speaker 0 (1h 26m 33s): Highest score game, let look it up.

Speaker 2 (1h 26m 36s): He he went for 50

Speaker 1 (1h 26m 38s): Low low. Can you look that up? Low.

Speaker 2 (1h 26m 40s): He went for

Speaker 1 (1h 26m 42s): Highest

Speaker 2 (1h 26m 43s): Though. Yeah, he thought, didn’t

Speaker 0 (1h 26m 45s): He recently go for like 60?

Speaker 1 (1h 26m 46s): I thought he went for 60 didn’t he? 59.

Speaker 0 (1h 26m 48s): 59

Speaker 2 (1h 26m 48s): He went for 59 against Utah.

Speaker 0 (1h 26m 51s): Yeah, you’re right.

Speaker 1 (1h 26m 52s): He’s not

Speaker 2 (1h 26m 53s): Against Utah, so I don’t really pay much attention to the chat, but we gotta do it in the chat. D the original, anything that he say go on one end out the other. I can’t listen to a word that I, I won’t read a word. This dude said, he said Hailey’s mid, so anything he say to me,

Speaker 0 (1h 27m 7s): Yeah, I don’t know. He hates me. He says stuff to me all the time. But does it,

Speaker 1 (1h 27m 11s): It’s fine. You know. Well that’s, that’s what but that’s what kids do.

Speaker 2 (1h 27m 14s): Said I’m out.

Speaker 1 (1h 27m 15s): He said do that’s what do

Speaker 2 (1h 27m 17s): He’s I’m out. There’s nothing that you can say to me after that, that being a woman, I’m good. I’m out on you. I’m good right here and out here. You, you’ll move. No doubt.

Speaker 1 (1h 27m 29s): That’s funny. No, I listened to I,

Speaker 0 (1h 27m 31s): Oh it’s because I talked crap about the Celtics.

Speaker 1 (1h 27m 35s): Oh okay.

Speaker 0 (1h 27m 36s): So the I get it, I get it. But thanks Jay.

Speaker 1 (1h 27m 39s): That means they, that means they like, okay, what up

Speaker 0 (1h 27m 42s): All? Yeah, if you could replace the worst team in the league with the best teammates, LeBron hat in his career, do they win the chip without LeBron?

Speaker 1 (1h 27m 52s): If you replace the worst team in the league, so Houston, so

Speaker 2 (1h 27m 55s): Houston take Houston Rockets out.

Speaker 1 (1h 27m 59s): So Houston Rockets, when you replace the, with the best teammates LeBron hat in his career do they win the chip? So on the Houston Rockets we’re putting Kyrie Kevin Love Chris Bosch and Dwayne Wade. Yeah. They win in the chip. Sure. Why not all without

Speaker 0 (1h 28m 12s): LeBron? This is Oh, without LeBron.

Speaker 1 (1h 28m 14s): Yeah, without LeBron. Yeah. Without LeBron. Yeah, sure why not?

Speaker 2 (1h 28m 16s): You replaced

Speaker 0 (1h 28m 17s): The currently

Speaker 1 (1h 28m 19s): Yeah,

Speaker 2 (1h 28m 20s): I don’t know if they win the, I don’t know if Kyrie, Kevin, love and Anthony Davis, I don’t know if they win the NBA championship.

Speaker 1 (1h 28m 26s): Oh yeah. Oh, I forgot Anthony Davis.

Speaker 2 (1h 28m 28s): But, but I, I I I think they, I think they, I think they damn close to it. I I I think they Wait

Speaker 1 (1h 28m 33s): Hold on. You’re telling me right now you have a team of Prime Kyrie Wade ad Kevin Love and Bosch plus Prime Ray Allen Prime, Shaq Prime Ben Wallace, you got a team right now

Speaker 2 (1h 28m 42s): Winning. Oh, that’s, that’s right. They win. That

Speaker 1 (1h 28m 46s): Don’t, or I don’t know if it’s Prime or when he had them so that, that that would have to be the,

Speaker 2 (1h 28m 50s): That would happen. He said he, he said his best teammates.

Speaker 1 (1h 28m 53s): Okay. Yeah. So if it’s his best teammates, then

Speaker 2 (1h 28m 55s): His best teammates. So

Speaker 1 (1h 28m 56s): Yeah, sure. I think you could do that with almost any player, right? Yeah. You could take all of of KDS best teammates and build a team that wins the championship. No, I’m gonna stop saying stuff cause everyone thinks I’m picking on kd. I love kd. Alright,

Speaker 0 (1h 29m 12s): Stan 6 0 1 said more dominant Shaq or Wilt Wilt. Even Shaq has said Wilt. So

Speaker 2 (1h 29m 18s): Wilt, I mean I don’t think it’s a question Will no.

Speaker 1 (1h 29m 20s): Yeah, I we got it’s trifecta. It’s, it’s it’s Wilt or you didn’t watch. That’s, that’s all I gotta is it’s Wilt or, or he’s not.

Speaker 2 (1h 29m 29s): I also

Speaker 1 (1h 29m 30s): Watch, I didn’t watch Wilt either, but you didn’t go back and look right, right.

Speaker 2 (1h 29m 34s): Yeah. I also think that we have to understand cuz these people say it. Can you guys explain to me not, not you guys, do you guys understand what dominant means? Dominant means that you are the focal point. You are the guy where you take up the most space. Not only do you take up the most space, you require the most attention. They changed the rules for Wilt. They completely switched up the game. There isn’t a more dominant player in NBA history than Will nobody, none.

Speaker 0 (1h 30m 16s): Dude.

Speaker 2 (1h 30m 17s): Average the 2023 rebounds game for his career dominated the,

Speaker 1 (1h 30m 22s): You want me to read that one Hailey? Yeah, go for it. Voice Spice says with the super chat. Thank you boy. 20,000 no kids is crazy Will really good.

Speaker 2 (1h 30m 32s): Yeah, you now that you think about it, that’s why I’m having a difficult time with that man. Like, come on yo, 20,000 kids, 20,000 chicks and ain got no secret. How you doing that and all of those chicks and, and make sure we clear Haley, all of those chicks, not one of them. I was feeling like, yo, I’m digging this girl telling me that. Not one of them no

Speaker 0 (1h 30m 50s): Commitment.

Speaker 1 (1h 30m 51s): Listen, I’m gonna go out and limb and say he’s got, he’s probably got more than Chris. Chris, what’s his name? Who’s the guy with all the kids? Nick Cannon. Oh, more kids. Nick Cannon on

Speaker 0 (1h 31m 5s): Okay. Web

Speaker 1 (1h 31m 6s): George coming really fast. Uhoh, can I tell you of George Foreman story really fast? I have to tell you this, hold on. Alright. So they asked George Foreman, man talk about politically uncorrect, he cannot get away with this today. They asked him in an interview because George Foreman named all his kids, I dunno if you know this, he named all his kids George.

Speaker 2 (1h 31m 23s): All nine of them? Yeah, I all nine of them.

Speaker 1 (1h 31m 25s): So they, he was promoting, it was on like this local shopping network channel and they asked him, so if you name all your kid to George, like when you want them like a specific one, he goes, how do you get them to come to come? Like if you don’t want 20 Georges coming, you just want one of ’em. He says, I call them by their last name.

Speaker 2 (1h 31m 45s): Oh

Speaker 0 (1h 31m 45s): Man. Oh man,

Speaker 1 (1h 31m 48s): Dang. Oh George. And then with the smile and his dimples and everyone just laughed, right? It was just like, oh George, you’re so cute. All right. Sorry, go ahead. More from the web.

Speaker 0 (1h 31m 56s): That’s nasty. Yeah, thank you for your super chats by the way. My hypothetical is based on how they played with Bran. So yeah, an example do that.

Speaker 1 (1h 32m 6s): Oh, how they played with Bran. So

Speaker 0 (1h 32m 7s): What we were saying. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I I’d still say maybe thank oh

Speaker 1 (1h 32m 11s): I still say if you got, if you got

Speaker 0 (1h 32m 13s): Kyrie.

Speaker 1 (1h 32m 13s): Yeah, yeah, I see it’s, I still say if you got that Kyrie that Kevin Love that way, that Bosch, that ad, that was the best ad we’ve seen. Yeah. Other than like for long

Speaker 2 (1h 32m 26s): Time

Speaker 1 (1h 32m 27s): Stretch this year and, and then you still have the old Shaq, old Ben Wallace. You got Mo Williams, Antoine Jameson, Alki as the, the All-Star Alki. You got those guys coming off the bench. You, you got a team right there.

Speaker 2 (1h 32m 45s): I bet yo, I bet

Speaker 0 (1h 32m 52s): Fluent this ones for you. Who from Yak og, Fred Ramble. Trent, would you trade if you could make a choice, I watched that game last night and the chemistry seems off, which is, that’s a really good question. What do you think is that move that they need to

Speaker 1 (1h 33m 5s): Make? So it’s interesting. That is a very, very good question because, and I’ve been thinking a lot about it and it’s, it’s, there was a time, I dunno if you guys remember where the Raptors had Rudy Gay, DeMar Rosen, Kyle Lowry and the Messiah Jerry had I, I believe it was when he came back from Denver and he’s like, okay, we’re blowing this thing up. And everyone’s like, yeah, you absolutely you need to blow it up.

And so he, the first thing he did was trade Rudy Gay and he traded Rudy Gay, got a couple of pieces back, like what they thought to be like no name players in return. And then what happened was really strange. The team started winning like, I mean winning so much so that a few fast forward a few years right there in the Eastern Conference final, they have the second most wins next to the Warriors. Like no other team won more games than them.

And the, the catalyst of that start was trading away Rudy Gay. So my answer is it’s Fred VanFleet because Fred VanFleet reminds me of that Rudy gay guy who was, hey, I’m supposed to be the best player on the team and Fred’s supposed to be the leader of this team even though we know CIA’s probably the best player and we know that, you know, my guy Ogn Nobi is definitely check this out. I dunno if you guys know this Ogn Nobi, I’m making my case for him for defensive player of the year.

He guards the center 10% of the time. He always guards the next team’s best player regardless of team. He guards whoever the best player is. OG covers them.

Speaker 2 (1h 34m 47s): So he dealing with Giannis, that’s him.

Speaker 1 (1h 34m 50s): He was on Giannis 90,

Speaker 2 (1h 34m 52s): He’s dealing with Giannis, dealing

Speaker 1 (1h 34m 55s): With, she’s dealing with Don. She’s always on the best player. So he’s played 10%, he’s matched up against the center, 18% against point guards, 25, 20 2% small forwards, 24% power forwards, 28 4%. That’s what he’s done this year. Talk about guarding all five positions. There might not be anyone since maybe Dennis Rodman who played, who literally guards every single position like OG does. So so you keep him right? I think you keep Sicom and I think Fred is the one that unfortunately becomes the guy.

And just so you know, I’m gonna, let me, can I read in reverse order? Here’s the worst shooting percentages in the b a worst five of those who have shot enough to qualify number five. And tell me, you know, one of these things is not like the other, tell me which one Terry Rose of Charlotte Smith Jr. Of Houston. Oh, sorry I missed one. Sadiq Bay of Detroit then Rossier Smith Jr. Hardaway Jr. And the last, the absolute worst shooter by field goal percentage.

Fred Van, you can’t have a guy who shoots 16 times a game 16 times per game. That’s five more than any six more, five or six more than any of those guys I just mentioned with the exception of Rose who shoots 19. You can’t have him shoot that low of a percentage,

Speaker 2 (1h 36m 19s): Especially, especially as

Speaker 1 (1h 36m 21s): Star. You just, you can’t on top of that as, as the guy that’s your starter, who’s your, the leader of your team. I think if they, if they trade him, whatever they can get it, it makes their team like better by subtraction.

Speaker 0 (1h 36m 32s): What’s the, what, how many minutes is he playing a game or like what are the average?

Speaker 1 (1h 36m 36s): I happen to have everything right here is playing 37 minutes a game. Ollywood. Yeah, yeah. He’s 37 minutes. Yeah. 30, yeah. 37 minutes a game, 16 field goal attempts a game, nine three pointers a game where he is also shooting 32%, which is below league average. It’s, it’s, and again I really like Fred VanFleet, but chill over here was like, he can’t be your starting point guard. He can’t be your starting point guard. He can’t be your starting point guard. So I started to watch and I’m like, can he, and and he was right and he was right.

He made me watch a little bit closer. He can’t be the starting point guard on a good team and I re it’s an undrafted N b A champion worked super good guy by all accounts. Like, I mean this is strictly, strictly, strictly how it fits with the team. I just, I think that’s the guy that needs to

Speaker 2 (1h 37m 25s): Go, I think he’s a starter. I think he’s a starter on a fringe playoff team. But when you talking about the upper echelon of N b A contenders and, and and possible champions, he’s not your starting point guard if you’re trying to win it. No, he’s not. I think he’s a great reserve on a team like that. Like what happened in 19 when he was playing behind, when he was playing behind Kyle Lowry. I think he’s perfect for that.

Speaker 1 (1h 37m 50s): Yeah, he was, he’s occasionally started with Lowry but a lot of times it was Lowry and I think Danny Green in the, in the backhoe cuz it was Dan. Yeah cuz it was Lowry. Danny Green, right? Kauai, I wanna say Si and Al. Yeah. Who were the five starters. So him coming off the bench Yeah, yeah. Championship team coming off the bench. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (1h 38m 10s): Is that dude, that dude coming off the bench giving you 25 minutes, 25 solid minutes coming up the bench. I think he’s one of the better. I think he’s one of the better bench guards in the game. But if you’re trying to win it, if you, at the, if you at the top of the league and you’re trying to win it, that dude is not your league guard. No.

Speaker 1 (1h 38m 25s): They they have, they have a couple of guys that would be, and that’s why you have to make the decision because Gary t Trent, they also Gary t Trent should be Gary Man of the Year. Remember I said this in the off season. That’s where I want Gary Trent to be the sixth man of the year. Now will he take that role? I don’t know. Right. I will say this just cuz again, being at the game last night, I saw something that I didn’t like and then something that I really liked, they were down by a lot. Scotty Barnes, who’s going through his sophomore slump, had zero points with like five minutes left in the game or something.

Right. And they were down I think by 20 and everyone was like, okay, the game’s over. And my son’s like, no it’s not, we’re staying till the end dad. I’m like, all right, cool. And so Scotty Barnes, they called Time out, they call it drop a play for him. He’s, I wanna say it was Cak passes him as he’s cutting from the wing, slashes, dunks it, first points of the game and then all of a sudden the team just goes. So I, you know, when he gets up, when he starts to play, boom, that was catalyst for that comeback. They look, they still lose in overtime, but the comeback that they made, like they were, they were down 11 with 49 seconds.

And I’m like, son, let’s beat the traffic. He’s like, no daddy. He’s like, no daddy. But thank goodness we didn’t. And my, and it was my daughter’s first Raptor game ever. So the whole family went, wife, Mrs. Floyd, myself, we and like they were, they were, my daughter was like just going crazy. She was on the jumbotron and they, she was just going crazy nice over it was such a good game actually. But anyways, lemme, let’s get back to the Super chats. But, but my point was they can, I think they can afford to lose Fred and, and and be okay. I think it’s adding by subtracting.

Speaker 0 (1h 40m 2s): Okay. Devonte Wise said if Katie never goes back to the finals, what does that mean for his legacy

Speaker 2 (1h 40m 9s): That he was, he was a top 10 player. He was a top three player for a decade. So

Speaker 0 (1h 40m 14s): Yeah, I think, I think he overthinks what it would mean for his legacy or he should have never left Golden State. But he wanted to go ahead and take that onto his, you know, take that on his own back and now he’s out in the wild trying to figure it out and he’s not going to, the Nets are never gonna win a championship. At least that in my lifetime. So I don’t know.

Speaker 1 (1h 40m 31s): No, you guys are really over the nets. Okay, so I’m gonna take this hypothetical even though I don’t know know, I don’t, I disagree. I think he does make it back to the finals, but I’ll take this as the question that it is. So if KD never goes back to the finals, what does it mean to his legacy? Exactly what I told you what it would mean. People will look back cuz you guys are thinking today in 20 years,

Speaker 2 (1h 40m 52s): How they gonna talk about him? Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (1h 40m 53s): He’s a great scorer who couldn’t get over the hump until he joined. The best team ever assembled. Cuz they’re gonna listen cuz you know Green’s gonna have his podcast at that point. Right. And so he’s gonna be telling you the 73 and nine, the 73 and nine Warriors were the greatest team ever assembled. So he had to join the greatest team ever assembled to get over the hump and he could never do it on his own. So he was a great scorer who played defense when he wanted to, but wasn’t a great defender who couldn’t play make who had high turnovers, but great, very versatile, efficient scorer.

Oh my God, when it comes to scoring, he’s phenomenal. That’s all he did. It’s not true. But that’s gonna be the legacy. That’s gonna be the narrative. Because look what we do to the old guys now we pick them apart and we say they did this great, but here’s all the things they did bad. What makes you think they’re not gonna do that in 20 years from now?

Speaker 2 (1h 41m 46s): And part of and part of his legacy is also gonna be that yo, for a decade he was super nice. He was a top three player. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (1h 41m 55s): That’s

Speaker 2 (1h 41m 55s): Definitely gonna be part of his legacy

Speaker 1 (1h 41m 56s): Was getting over the hump too. He was great but he was never the best. He was never better than LeBron. He was never better than. Right. You throw the name in there Curry even when they’re on the same team. Yeah. Even when they’re on the same team. Like people are like, well he led that Warriors team. No, he led that Warrior’s team in scoring. There’s a difference between leading the team and leading the team in scoring Curry had more assists. Curry had almost the same around of

Speaker 2 (1h 42m 22s): Rebounds. And just because you lead the team in scoring does not mean you leading the team.

Speaker 1 (1h 42m 25s): Exactly. That’s not Curry. That was still, that was still your boy Curry’s team. Hailey and Katie was, was was co-pilot. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not, I’m not knocking like how great he was, but he was the co-pilot on that team. So if he never goes back to the finals, that’s what they’re gonna say. I don’t think it’s fair, but that’s what they’re gonna say. No.

Speaker 0 (1h 42m 46s): Yeah, no, I like your perspective looking into the future cuz that’s a hundred percent what’s gonna happen. But as a Warrior fan, I would love to see if, you know, cuz Steph and Katie have some years left on them. Obviously fluent. You said you didn’t know about Katie, but he’s showing us something.

Speaker 1 (1h 43m 1s): He’s still got two to three,

Speaker 0 (1h 43m 4s): Steph, maybe three to five, hopefully more. We’ll see this day and age. Keep going. But Jay, Jay, you don’t think that Steph is gonna play for three to five more years?

Speaker 2 (1h 43m 17s): Not at this level. I don’t, I do think he’s gonna play three. I think he’s gonna play. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think he’s gonna play probably four or five more years. But I think he’s got two more years at this level before he starts to

Speaker 1 (1h 43m 27s): Sleep. Oh. I think his, I think his game translates.

Speaker 2 (1h 43m 29s): Oh I I, I think in the next, in the next two years, I think he’s got, I think he’s at this level for another two more years and then Segueways into that Ray Allen role. That’s what I think he goes into where he’s now just what’s

Speaker 1 (1h 43m 40s): Gonna look like when he’s got 20 extra pounds. Just like

Speaker 2 (1h 43m 42s): I, I think he’s just a primary long shooter and I think he’s gonna be awesome. KD on the hand. I mean

Speaker 1 (1h 43m 51s): I know KD watches,

Speaker 2 (1h 43m 53s): He just got, he just got a No, he just got a haircut the other day. He looks, he was looking, looking clean too. Yeah. Ok, good. Good. He got haircut,

Speaker 1 (1h 43m 58s): Send a picture. And I was like,

Speaker 2 (1h 44m 1s): No doubt. He’s

Speaker 0 (1h 44m 2s): Like, so did Clay Clay’s hair is getting crazy. But yeah, he got it under control. Okay. Oh, drink more water. Oh, drink more water. Who says no fields and two-thirds for two outta three first for Lamar Jackson. Oh, 3, 2 3 First rounds for Lamar

Speaker 2 (1h 44m 18s): Jackson. You’re gonna kill me for this, but I’m not all the way in on Lamar Jackson. Two season ending injuries. And here’s, here’s here’s WA tone. Two season ending injuries. You are trying to win. I know that you wanna pay this guy because of the dyna of the dynamic talent that he is, but can we win it with him? That’s the million dollar question. The way he plays without, and I don’t think that he’s not playing because this is the last year of his contract. I don’t think he’s built that way. I think that we looking at a different Lamar Jackson and I’m thinking to myself, 250 million, am I really prepared to go there with him?

Is he gonna hold up for another five years or am I gonna get two of those five years where he broke down in year three and I only got 13 games out of him that season and then the next year I got 15 games out of him. Am I gonna get that from this guy?

Speaker 0 (1h 45m 13s): Yeah, but Jay, look at, I’m done. The Ravens use him. They don’t use him correctly.

Speaker 2 (1h 45m 19s): He doesn’t have, I mean he’s one of the, he’s one of the best throwers. No, no doubt about his throw and is fantastic. The thing I’m worried about with Lamar Jackson is, is he going to hold up? That’s it. Yeah, that’s what I’m

Speaker 1 (1h 45m 30s): Thinking. I’m out guys. Place

Speaker 0 (1h 45m 31s): Him, place him

Speaker 2 (1h 45m 32s): On. No, you out on the mall Jackson.

Speaker 1 (1h 45m 34s): I I’m out on, I’m out on every single running quarterback. I’m out. Okay. That’s, I’m, I’m tired of getting tricked. I’m tired of Now don’t get, don’t confuse running quarterback with mobile quarterback.

Speaker 2 (1h 45m 44s): There’s a difference. There’s a difference. There’s a difference. Those things are

Speaker 1 (1h 45m 47s): Not the one that is a primary runner. A run first. Okay. A Michael v a guy who’s led the league like over a thousand yards rushing. It’s so Justin Fields, I love Justin Fields cuz he is a bear. But I’m, if I’m, I’m being totally honest, Lamar Jackson, Justin Fields, Michael Vick, rrg three Cam Newton, every single quarterback that is run first that we say, hey, they’re great when they scramble. Not sure if they can throw the ball even though I think Lamar Jackson can throw the ball.

I’ve never seen one win a I’ve never seen one win a Super Bowl. I’ve never seen one have a long illustrious career. Now, okay, someone’s gonna say, well what about this guy? Okay, maybe there’s an exception. But to, to this day, as my memory serves me, name me one run first quarterback. Right. That has had a long, successful career and won a Super Bowl. Because at the end of the day, that’s what matters. Steve

Speaker 2 (1h 46m 40s): Young. Steve Young was not a run

Speaker 1 (1h 46m 42s): A

Speaker 2 (1h 46m 42s): Mobile quarterback, not a run first. He was a mobile quarterback. It’s not the same thing. So I’m not understand

Speaker 1 (1h 46m 48s): Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes is mobile. He’s not a run first call.

Speaker 2 (1h 46m 53s): No, he is not. No, he is not. So he

Speaker 0 (1h 46m 55s): Doesn’t rely on it.

Speaker 1 (1h 46m 56s): He doesn’t, he doesn’t rely, even, even when your guy there, Russell Wilson won his Super Bowl, like he sometimes was running for life. Yeah. He’s a

Speaker 0 (1h 47m 4s): Scrambler. Yeah,

Speaker 1 (1h 47m 4s): He’s a scrambler. He was running for his life, yet they never had, like, they kept trying to convert like power forwards into the offensive linemen. So he had, he had no choice, but that’s not what he wanted to do. So he wasn’t So I don’t consider him a run first. So I just, I wanna see it happen. I just, I don’t see it. Like if you look, now granted, part of this is Tom Brady ruined the last 20 years.

Speaker 2 (1h 47m 23s): Yes he did. He he directed. Yes he did. That’s true. He did. He did.

Speaker 1 (1h 47m 27s): Because he goes to what he goes to 10 Super Bowls wins seven of them damn things. Yeah. And, and so we say, well look at the pocket quarterback. Well yeah, sure. One guy went to 10 of them and so there’s just not, not enough room for anybody else to go. Right.

Speaker 2 (1h 47m 40s): Right.

Speaker 1 (1h 47m 41s): I just, I love, and I love Lamar Jackson I’ll to, to answer this question. Yes. Fields and, and two firsts for Lamar. I’m probably doing it all day. You can’t say no to that. I just,

Speaker 2 (1h 47m 52s): I think Lamar deserves,

Speaker 1 (1h 47m 53s): Cause I think Lamar Jackson, I think Lamar Jackson is bigger. Right? And I think he, like, I see like Jalen Hertz, right? I see the size of Jalen Hertz legs. I think he can take some of that impact better. And I think Jalen Hertz at this point in his career, I think could throw the ball better than, than Justin Fields. But hey, maybe I should stick with the younger guy in the, in the draft picks. Cuz I just finished telling you guys we need the draft picks. So I’m contradicting myself now. But yeah, I just, I wanna be proven wrong because they’re so dynamic and they’re so fun to watch. But no one’s won yet.

Speaker 0 (1h 48m 22s): Yeah, we’ll see. We’ll see. I’m all, I’m all in for Lamar, but hopefully his injury’s always getting in the way. Okay. Travis, what’s up Travis fluent, how do you feel about Devin Hester as a Hall of Fame

Speaker 2 (1h 48m 34s): Finalist? Yes or no? Tom, yes or no?

Speaker 1 (1h 48m 36s): He’s a Hall of Famer. Period. End of discussion.

Speaker 2 (1h 48m 38s): No crack. There we go.

Speaker 1 (1h 48m 39s): If you’re the greatest to ever do your at your position ever, you’re in. That’s why I put this one in there. Just wanted to put that Devin the hall. It’s a shame he didn’t make it already. It’s, it’s Travis,

Speaker 2 (1h 48m 48s): What else we got?

Speaker 0 (1h 48m 49s): Leave Diggy. What’s up My Packers? It’s back. All you Nader fans

Speaker 2 (1h 48m 54s): Have we own y’all. That’s end the discussion. We own y’all question. We y’all next question. We own, we own the Packers. Kill it. We own you guys in your building. In our building. We own you

Speaker 1 (1h 49m 4s): As a bear fan. Leaf diggy. I wanna tell you this. I, I pray, I pray my second prayer after praying for DeMar Hamlin’s Healthy Return. My second prayer of the night is always Packers to beat the Lions this week. Make it into the playoffs and get smoked by the 49ers. That is my, that is my prayer. I

Speaker 0 (1h 49m 24s): Don’t even, I don’t wanna do that though. I don’t wanna see them. We’ve done it.

Speaker 1 (1h 49m 27s): Yes, absolutely. Let’s, let’s, I

Speaker 2 (1h 49m 30s): I got no problem beating up on them again. None do. Again, I’m not, I ain’t over it till I’m not over it. H I got no problem beating up on them again. None. And

Speaker 1 (1h 49m 38s): My hope, and my hope is do it again. And my hope is then that Aaron Rodgers sells his stake in the Chicago Bears football team that he owns. All Jer Gerald Jerrell,

Speaker 2 (1h 49m 48s): Jerrell King James Harden. I’m gonna go with James. Hard 18. Yep. Yeah. James Harden in 2018, they won 65 games. He was, I think he averaged 34 game that year. Yes. No doubt.

Speaker 1 (1h 50m 1s): Yeah. Hard. Yeah. Harden.

Speaker 0 (1h 50m 2s): Okay. Big Holmes. The Fluent Chill H Boogie. What’s up though? Joel could go for a hundred.

Speaker 2 (1h 50m 8s): I don’t think they let him do it. I just don’t.

Speaker 1 (1h 50m 11s): He could do it from the foul line.

Speaker 0 (1h 50m 13s): True, true. You never know. So no more

Speaker 1 (1h 50m 17s): No

Speaker 0 (1h 50m 17s): Prime, no Primo Williams or Antoine Jameson.

Speaker 2 (1h 50m 20s): What’s Primo Williams? 17 A game.

Speaker 1 (1h 50m 23s): What’s wrong with that?

Speaker 2 (1h 50m 24s): I I don’t fight it. I’m just saying. I mean, okay. I’m

Speaker 1 (1h 50m 27s): In that, in that era. That’s like 25 today. You take that. We gotta we gotta adjust for rate of play. Richard Rich. Richard Rich trying to be funny that LeBron had no help. He had a damn good help. All right, there we go.

Speaker 0 (1h 50m 41s): Okay. Tape his. So Ga gaming, I know there’s front court and back court now, but in general, which player deserves their first all-star selection between Laurie, Shay and Fox?

Speaker 2 (1h 50m 53s): I think it’s marketing.

Speaker 0 (1h 50m 56s): I do too.

Speaker 1 (1h 50m 56s): He’s, and,

Speaker 2 (1h 50m 59s): And by the way, marking, he got 49 tonight.

Speaker 1 (1h 51m 2s): I saw that.

Speaker 0 (1h 51m 3s): He’s crazy. And watching it, I mean feel like the words, I played the jazz already like three times. Like he is, he’s been consistent. He’s been dominant. He’s doing everything that he needs to be doing. I I I like him a lot.

Speaker 1 (1h 51m 15s): I, I, you know what? But I love box too. I should say. I should say Markin. And for this one and only reason, the first year that I played fantasy basketball for money was Lori Markin’s rookie year. Okay. And, and I drafted him like last round and someone messaged me trying to be funny. You drafted a girl? Ha ha ha. Who’s Laurie? Who’s Laurie? Yo yo. My team. Yeah. First year Chip Bills. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (1h 51m 43s): Eat

Speaker 1 (1h 51m 43s): It. I also had Giannis and Jimmy Butler, but still Lori Marketing. It helps. It helps. I had him on my roster that whole year. So I’ll, I’ll switch my pick from Sha to Lori. Just, just for that.

Speaker 0 (1h 51m 57s): Devonte Wise, who’s the best player to never win a ring? We just talked about, we did this a couple shows ago

Speaker 1 (1h 52m 3s): And I’ll tell you again. It’s Elgin Baylor, and there’s no debate.

Speaker 2 (1h 52m 6s): I think it’s Malone.

Speaker 1 (1h 52m 9s): I guess there’s a debate

Speaker 0 (1h 52m 12s): Next up.

Speaker 1 (1h 52m 14s): Next. Yeah. I’m sorry.

Speaker 0 (1h 52m 16s): There’s a big one we have to get

Speaker 1 (1h 52m 17s): To. I can’t click that fast. Relax, we’ll get

Speaker 0 (1h 52m 19s): To it. Okay. Get to drink more water. Who is one current and one former player who, whose reputation is greatly enhanced by winning a ring Rings for me. It’s am poppers.

Speaker 2 (1h 52m 32s): Steph Curry.

Speaker 1 (1h 52m 35s): Kevin, Kevin Garett.

Speaker 2 (1h 52m 37s): Garett too. Yeah,

Speaker 1 (1h 52m 38s): Kevin play Failures until he got that ring and then he, all of a sudden he jumped to like top 15, which I disagree with.

Speaker 2 (1h 52m 44s): K’s a good one. Giannis too, by the way. Ya Gianni too.

Speaker 1 (1h 52m 47s): I’m sorry. Anybody that wins a ring, but like Yeah,

Speaker 0 (1h 52m 50s): That really put him on the map though. Okay. Richie, Rich’s tv Hey show Miss Savannah. James gonna need her one-on-one the way you love. And

Speaker 2 (1h 52m 58s): Richie Rich, I got a question for you, Richie. Rich, why can’t I dig somebody? You probably dig Jordan, I’m 100% confident that if Jordan is your guy, he’s all you talk about. So why can’t I dig a guy like James? Pause. I’m, I’m trying to figure out why I’m, I’m trying to figure out why can’t I dig this dude’s game? Why can’t I dig how he plays basketball? Why does it have to be Yo, I, I’m, I’m, I’m I’m this or I’m that. Can you explain that Richie Rich or whoever you are, because I’m pretty sure you do the same thing with, I’m pretty sure you do the same thing with Jordan.

So why can’t I dig James’ game?

Speaker 0 (1h 53m 33s): Yeah, that’s a weird question. All right, moving on.

Speaker 1 (1h 53m 36s): I think it’s a great question.

Speaker 0 (1h 53m 38s): Andrew g Tatum chooses when to play. D gets me mad sometimes. Shots

Speaker 1 (1h 53m 44s): Fired.

Speaker 2 (1h 53m 45s): I’m, he could be a little bit, he could be a little bit

Speaker 1 (1h 53m 48s): Inconsistent past 99% of NBA first

Speaker 2 (1h 53m 51s): Day. Yeah. He could be a little bit inconsistent playing defense. So I’d like to see him do that a little bit more. Yeah, it’s like be more consistent as a defender. Nobody,

Speaker 0 (1h 53m 58s): What I feel like recently is like, nobody cares about the regular season. It’s like, let’s just like put here and there and then when playoffs come and it’s just like, I’m so done with it. Like, I don’t know. I wish we spent more time like, you know, nobody’s going for anything in regular season anymore.

Speaker 1 (1h 54m 13s): So Which are we with you? Oh wait, you’re waiting for me? Yeah,

Speaker 2 (1h 54m 18s): Sorry.

Speaker 1 (1h 54m 19s): Let’s, you know what? Let’s, let’s, let’s jump, I’m gonna go to this. We got, we got a couple more. We’ll do some rapid fire, but I promised Ami Jones on the panel that if he comes in gives us some super chats, I’m gonna put him up. So Aaron, Ms. Jones, tell people to stop the Scotty top 20 agenda. It’s getting nasty in here. Is Scotty Pippen top 20?

Speaker 2 (1h 54m 41s): No, I don’t think he’s a top 20 player. No. Top

Speaker 0 (1h 54m 43s): 20 player.

Speaker 2 (1h 54m 44s): No, I’m not going that far.

Speaker 1 (1h 54m 46s): Do you believe that people are, are creating a top 20 narrative to discredit Jordan or because they feel that Pippin’s undervalued?

Speaker 0 (1h 54m 55s): Well maybe, honestly I think there’s probably both.

Speaker 2 (1h 54m 58s): I was just thinking

Speaker 1 (1h 54m 58s): We gotta pick one. If you gotta pick one.

Speaker 2 (1h 54m 60s): I’m, I’m thinking they’re doing it to discredit Jordan because the logic on Jordan was that he really didn’t have, in fact, I I, the way I feel about Scotty Pippen is that’s the first thing people bring up when they talk about him. You know, you played with Jordan. Yeah. So now to change it around and go yo, well is Scotty Pippen the top 20 player? Well, look who Jordan had. So, but I don’t think Scotty Pippen is the top 20 player all time. No, I do not believe that.

Speaker 0 (1h 55m 23s): Well, and I think the fact that he’s started vocalizing it more and coming out with his own opinions, obviously that’s gonna sway people and yeah, obviously we don’t know what he would’ve been like without Jordan, but probably not the guy that he was. So it’s hard to say.

Speaker 1 (1h 55m 36s): So lemme ask you this, Scotty Pippen, not that I had this ready cuz someone was gonna talk about this. I will never pause my soundboard. Michael Jordan was one for nine in the playoffs before I joined the team in the post-season. He missed the bulls went six and four.

Speaker 2 (1h 55m 57s): Now again, what we not gonna do?

Speaker 1 (1h 55m 58s): Do you wanna add context to it or do you want just let it be?

Speaker 2 (1h 56m 2s): Of course we of course we can add context to it. So the fir the, the first three years that he was in the playoffs that you didn’t play, number one, the 86 Celtics team was regarded as the best team that the N B A had ever seen. It wasn’t a good team that he lost to the best team that the NBA a had ever seen. And he torched them, by the way. Best number one. Number two, the, his rookie season playing against Milwaukee in the first round of the playoffs, Milwaukee was one of the better teams in the Eastern conference. And then in 87, who did they lose to? I think they, they lost to Boston again. It

Speaker 1 (1h 56m 31s): Was Boston. It was Milwaukee. Boston. Boston.

Speaker 2 (1h 56m 33s): They lost, they lost the Boston again. You know, Boston was the class of the Eastern conference. So it can’t just be, yo, he was one and on without Scotty Pippen. Well wait a minute. No, the teams that he was going up against, we have to take that under consideration. Just like we gotta do the same thing when we talk about the other all time greats. It’s not just, yo, he was one in nine without Scotty Pippen. No, it’s a little bit more to it than that. A little bit more to it

Speaker 1 (1h 56m 54s): Than that. So I’m, I’m gonna add two pieces of ah, maybe more. Who knows? And here, here, first of all, let’s start with the one and nine thing. So he goes oh three, he goes oh three against. Cuz people always think they go one and nine. Like he won one series and lost nine series. No, he played in three series, three playoff series. That’s

Speaker 2 (1h 57m 16s): The record. And win nine losses.

Speaker 1 (1h 57m 18s): Yeah, it was one win and nine losses in. So he, he lost the first series, three games to one, lost the next two series 3 0 3 oh against, he was a seven seed against Milwaukee, which had the defensive player of the year in

Speaker 2 (1h 57m 34s): Sidney Rie

Speaker 1 (1h 57m 35s): Rief, who was guarding him as a rookie. Then he misses 63, 65 games or something. He plays 17 games. They lose to the best team ever assembled at that point. The Celtics in three with a, let’s be hon let’s be honest man, they were a bad team in years one, two, and three. They were a sub 500 team. If there was more than 16 teams in the league, that team’s not even in the playoffs. Now you can put that on Jordan and say, hey, he, he sucked cause he couldn’t get his team into the playoffs. Well look at his numbers. He was doing his part since we do that for everybody else. So

Speaker 2 (1h 58m 5s): He broke his foot that year too. Don’t leave that bar. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (1h 58m 7s): Broke his his foot. That’s why he didn’t play. Right. And then comes back the next year. Same thing. Subhi fun. So in the year that now Pippen is talking about, let’s be clear of the team that Pippen inherits that Jordan was not supposed to, was not supposed to retire. He was expected to come back and they were gonna go for a four p. They bring back everyone from the team that just repeated every one of those players is healthy, every single one is healthy. And they add Steve Kerr, Tony Coco, and Luke Longley to that squad.

Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong have their best years and they become all stars for their first time ever. And what do they do in six and four? Well, they sweep the crappy ca Cleveland Cavalier three Oh. And then they lose in seven to the Knicks. A team that they never lost to with Michael Jordan in seven games. So it was six and four. Sure. There’s some context we’re missing. Well

Speaker 2 (1h 59m 2s): It was, it’s way more it it it’s way more than that. Way more so,

Speaker 1 (1h 59m 7s): So absolutely. So yeah. So yo,

Speaker 2 (1h 59m 10s): You, you, you dudes. Hey do me a favor king. What’s this whole, don’t be scared do you guys honestly like, like all y’all dudes wanna see do y’all old, all y’all wanna see is just me fight all day every day. Is that what y’all, so do y’all care that we actually want to talk basketball? That’s all y’all care about? Because if y’all do, then I’m out. Yo, I’m letting y’all know right now I won’t do this anymore if that’s all y’all come. Cause I don’t come up here every day or every time I’m on here just to fight. I don’t do that. If that’s what y’all do, just interested in. Y’all not gonna get it from me all the time. I’m letting you know that right now.

I’m so sick of this. Yo, don’t run from ticket. Don’t run from ticket. I’ve never ran from this dude.

Speaker 1 (1h 59m 46s): It’s not even, Hey, it’s not even ticket in in in this. Yeah,

Speaker 0 (1h 59m 49s): It’s not even ticket.

Speaker 1 (1h 59m 50s): Yeah, it’s a fake ticket. Some

Speaker 0 (1h 59m 51s): Random dude. And also like, that’s the vibe of like, that’s some of the other shows. That’s why we have a variety. But like P and Chill

Speaker 2 (1h 59m 58s): Never ran from this dude nowhere.

Speaker 1 (1h 59m 60s): It’s, it’s not, it’s it’s, listen, it’s not even the real ticket Cuz Ticket told you on the panel. That’s, that’s not him. He

Speaker 0 (2h 0m 7s): His is a, he’s ah, mod. So yeah.

Speaker 1 (2h 0m 9s): Yeah. So anyways,

Speaker 0 (2h 0m 11s): Another fake

Speaker 1 (2h 0m 11s): Ticket. That, that, that being said, if you want debates, we have debate shows. Yeah, we do that. This is, this is where you, we

Speaker 2 (2h 0m 21s): Do it.

Speaker 1 (2h 0m 22s): All right. So thank you Artemis again for the super chat. We’re gonna go now we’re gonna go speed round.

Speaker 2 (2h 0m 27s): Yep. Do it. We

Speaker 1 (2h 0m 29s): Gotta get through this. Yeah. If you had a trade between Wiggins Pool, Draymond, who would be the best player to trade to get most back? Hailey, you’re the Warriors fan who, who to to get the most back. You’re

Speaker 0 (2h 0m 40s): Gonna get the most back probably for Pool. And he’s the one I would trade out of those three anyway. Yeah,

Speaker 1 (2h 0m 45s): Yeah. Weinger. If KD went to the calves, would he have been vilified as much? Would that affect Bro’s case for the goat?

Speaker 2 (2h 0m 54s): I think he would’ve been vilified even more, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (2h 0m 57s): So if he loses to the Warriors and then instead of join Yeah. Loses to the Warriors I seven and instead of joining the Warriors, he, he goes and jumped to Cleveland and joins LeBron. He’d be vilified more.

Speaker 2 (2h 1m 9s): I think he, not only would he gotten vilified more, I think that James would’ve got Vilified more too because he had already stacked the deck in Miami and now to get KD for those two guys to get together. Yeah, I think he got roasted even more for that.

Speaker 1 (2h 1m 22s): Okay. How far I’m gonna Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no go. I was just trying to do it fast. How far do you guys think? Cuz I read them before I flash ’em. How far do you guys think? Pause. How far do you guys think Luca can take the, the Mavs with his style of play?

Speaker 2 (2h 1m 37s): Well he took ’em to the, he took ’em to the Western Conference championship last year. So the

Speaker 0 (2h 1m 41s): Team, but that was a different team. I mean think about how many points Brunson added to that end.

Speaker 2 (2h 1m 45s): Right? That was huge. I dunno,

Speaker 0 (2h 1m 46s): That was huge.

Speaker 1 (2h 1m 47s): That was

Speaker 2 (2h 1m 47s): Huge. Was

Speaker 1 (2h 1m 48s): Huge as always. Depends on who’s around him. This team, if he gets into the Eastern conference finals again, then he might be the goat. Cuz that’s how much faith I have in the rest of this team. Yeah. If the 20, yeah, sorry if the 2001 Lakers were in the nineties, do they win?

Speaker 2 (2h 2m 8s): Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. You

Speaker 1 (2h 2m 11s): Do ab absolutely

Speaker 0 (2h 2m 12s): Win any time.

Speaker 1 (2h 2m 14s): Yeah. And put them in any era and they win. I think they’re, that’s, that’s maybe the best team to ever be assembled. Lamar got injured because the GM was too cheap to pay. The O line got hurt behind the line if it was the GM’s fault. Is that true? The gm The GM to a certain extent, if you don’t put up an an an o line, but coaching matters, right? If, if you know that he is back there and the old line is bad, then your job as a, as an offensive coordinator, as a QB coach, as a head coach is to put in place that gets the ball out of his hands quickly and to create blocking schemes that help.

Right? So we’ve seen people with great offensive lines get hurt. So it doesn’t,

Speaker 2 (2h 2m 55s): That’s happening.

Speaker 1 (2h 2m 55s): You can’t just blame one guy, the gm that he didn’t do it. Although it, it probably didn’t help. It probably didn’t help Big Ox Bob, should the NBA discontinue the fan vote for the All-Star game? No dams and no dear is criminal.

Speaker 2 (2h 3m 13s): Well number one, we had mentioned something earlier tonight that what is our New Year’s resolution? We ain’t talk about that. Oh yeah, right. What is our New Year’s resolution? One of my New Year’s resolutions is I’m gonna pay more attention to the Sacramento Kings this year.

Speaker 1 (2h 3m 26s): Oh, big Bob’s gonna

Speaker 2 (2h 3m 28s): Love that. I’m, I’m gonna pay more attention to the Sacramento Kings this year. They one of the best, if I’m not mistaken, they’re in the top three in the league in three point shooter, they’re in top and they’re in the top 10 in field Gold percentage. So I’m gonna pay more attention to them. Now taking a fan vote outta the All-Star game is exactly what you don’t wanna do because the All-Star game is about the fans. That’s what it’s for. So you want to have them involved. That’s why it’s as big a deal as it is. So I do not wanna do that now Dams and, and d Aaron not starting in the All-Star game.

That’s something that’s number one. That that, that’s something different than them being selected as all-Star players. I think they’re going, I think they make an All-star team. Both of them. Both of them Are

Speaker 1 (2h 4m 9s): You think both of them are making the All-Star

Speaker 2 (2h 4m 11s): Team? I think both. I think both of them. I mean, you

Speaker 0 (2h 4m 13s): Think all change as, as pe the voting

Speaker 2 (2h 4m 15s): Continues. I mean Sabone, he lead the league and rebound and now that doesn’t mean that that that, that doesn’t mean that just cuz you lead the league and rebound it means that you’re gonna make the All-Star team. But he’s also a 20 and 10 guy too. So I think that matters. And they’re a playoff team for the first time since 2000. What? Six? That’s a big deal.

Speaker 1 (2h 4m 30s): Yeah, that’s a big deal.

Speaker 2 (2h 4m 31s): Yeah.

Speaker 1 (2h 4m 33s): Bob hit us up again and said Pippin, that’s what he is talking about. Not top 20. Y’all drinking motor oil. He’s got heavy in the top 10. I

Speaker 2 (2h 4m 41s): Not We can

Speaker 0 (2h 4m 42s): Do it on the next show. On the next show. We’ll we, we can do our top 20, we’ll list out top 20 players that we can, you know, we think are better than Scotty because

Speaker 1 (2h 4m 50s): We can do, what do you mean we don’t even need that? We, Jordan, LeBron, Kareem Will, Shaq, Kobe Bird, magic, magic team. I forgot real

Speaker 2 (2h 5m 2s): Quick to real, real quick to before b before you, before you lose it. James Jordan, Jabal Chamberlain, Russell Magic Bird Duncan, lajuan, diesel Bryant Curry, Oscar Jerry West Moses Malone, doc Carl Malone. Kevin Gardner. Yes. Moz Moose Malone. Call Malone Hache who’s my number 20. I’m, I’m leaving somebody out. I left somebody out. But it’s not Scotty Pippen. Scotty Pippen is between Scotty Pippen. You can make a case for him being the top 25 player. I can’t name 30 players better than Scotty Pippen can’t do it.

Speaker 1 (2h 5m 33s): There you go. And, and

Speaker 0 (2h 5m 35s): Nice.

Speaker 1 (2h 5m 36s): Yeah, I, my my thing isn’t naming the 20 more, it’s forgetting who I have. I’ve said already, right? Yeah. Picking. I can pick 25. That’s

Speaker 2 (2h 5m 44s): The better. I

Speaker 1 (2h 5m 45s): Better than Scott.

Speaker 0 (2h 5m 46s): Photographic memory.

Speaker 2 (2h 5m 48s): KD is 16, Malone is 17. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (2h 5m 51s): Curry

Speaker 0 (2h 5m 52s): K Curry Heck.

Speaker 1 (2h 5m 53s): I got Giannis over right now. Alright, this is for me. So let me just do this real quick.

Speaker 0 (2h 6m 4s): Boy, that’s so mean. Y’all

Speaker 2 (2h 6m 5s): Rather hear them all one,

Speaker 1 (2h 6m 7s): One

Speaker 2 (2h 6m 7s): Time. Hey,

Speaker 0 (2h 6m 11s): All right.

Speaker 1 (2h 6m 14s): That’s for the people watching Grid Iron Tyson Thomas. That’s crazy. Pip and top. Top 20 Oh or 30. So I’m saying we need, is that a best small forward of the nineties or Bulls championship? Run Wings of the nineties. Trash.

Speaker 2 (2h 6m 30s): I didn’t say he wasn’t top 30. I can’t name 30 players better than him. But in top 20 now I’m having a difficult time with that.

Speaker 1 (2h 6m 38s): I think I got him at 35. Just, I

Speaker 2 (2h 6m 43s): I got him. I got him. Yeah, I got ’em between five and 30.

Speaker 1 (2h 6m 47s): Yeah. Okay. But we’ll, we’ll, we’ll I’ll bring in the list. Yeah, you’re right. I’ll bring, we’ll bring you the list next week.

Speaker 0 (2h 6m 56s): Who?

Speaker 1 (2h 6m 57s): Oh sorry. Go.

Speaker 0 (2h 6m 58s): No, you no. Okay. Who wins it right now in the nba? Five on five Euro versus Americans? Oh well. Oh well we got Yoic. You got mb

Speaker 2 (2h 7m 12s): Mbbi and a Euro.

Speaker 1 (2h 7m 13s): Euro. What about nba? You mean like what do means what maybe America verse the world because then you got that’s I was like Giannis.

Speaker 2 (2h 7m 22s): Yeah, well three you, you figure four of the top five players in the NBA are of not

Speaker 0 (2h 7m 27s): American. European

Speaker 2 (2h 7m 28s): Luca. Yeah. So probably I think that, I think you might have a difficult time with the, with the, I dunno, interesting. Cause

Speaker 0 (2h 7m 36s): Then you have LeBron Curry kd.

Speaker 1 (2h 7m 39s): If it’s just five, if it’s just five, I think, I think the world wins. But if you add the bench, that’s then I think America wins because Cuz then you’re who Evan Fornier is gonna be on your bench dude. And right there you just lost no, no disrespect to Fornier. But there’s, there’s, there’s a lot more American talent. But the top five verse five, that’s a game I, I’d love to see.

Speaker 2 (2h 7m 60s): Yeah, I wouldn’t mind seeing that either. That

Speaker 0 (2h 8m 2s): Could be really good.

Speaker 1 (2h 8m 2s): Didn’t they used to do that? Didn’t they used to do NBA versus the world? Was that a different sport where I remember seeing that.

Speaker 2 (2h 8m 8s): Well I don’t remember. I would’ve remembered that.

Speaker 1 (2h 8m 11s): I feel like they did do that once to tried it. I don’t know if it worked.

Speaker 0 (2h 8m 15s): Giannis is literally Derek Henry Drew, hold

Speaker 2 (2h 8m 18s): On one second. Excuse me guys.

Speaker 0 (2h 8m 20s): Yeah, go. Okay. Fluent Saab Bonis is the most underrated player in the nba. Oh, Ron, Ron said that. What do you think

Speaker 1 (2h 8m 28s): Saboni is the most? Look, I think, I think, I think this, I think Saboni Dear Fox are, are in the conversation for most underrated. And it’s because the team they play on, right? I think we don’t give enough attention to the Sacramento King. So they’re in that conversation. I think Lori marketing is another one. Cuz we don’t pay attention to Utah. So if you, if you anybody on the,

Speaker 0 (2h 8m 54s): That’s another, that’s another,

Speaker 1 (2h 8m 57s): It’s those teams that we don’t pay attention to. Yeah. That have really good players, great players that we just say, Hey, you know what, we just, we, we don’t pay attention to them. So yeah, those are the ones that are gonna be underrated because we always know the players one on the good teams. But we always know the players in LA We always know the players in New York. We always know, you know, those other players. So yeah, I think, I think Saboni, he’s in that conversation. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 0 (2h 9m 24s): Yeah. There this season there’s a number of really underrated players. But I think that team as a whole, because they were literally like the worst team in the league last, the last several seasons. Yeah. They, they get overlooked, but they’ll be back on the map if they can keep it up.

Speaker 1 (2h 9m 38s): I missed, I missed the last one. Hold on. Lemme I’ll,

Speaker 0 (2h 9m 41s): I’ll be back. You guys,

Speaker 1 (2h 9m 42s): You’re you’re you’re going to, we got one more super chat. Let me, here it is. And I’m by myself. Alright. Do you guys meaning fluent cuz he’s alone. I think if Chris Weber one in Sacramento. Okay. Oh, perfect timing. Do you think if Chris Weber won in Sacramento, he would be ranked higher than Dirk or Kevin Garnet?

Speaker 2 (2h 10m 7s): Yes. I think he would definitely be ranked not high. I I don’t think he’d be ranked higher than those guys cause I don’t think he was better than them. Tone. But I do think that he would be regarded differently simply because the fact that he won and especially who he would’ve beaten. So that mean he would’ve beaten those Laker teams that were, that that, that were, that ended up three beating. So if he would’ve ended up beating one of those teams, I think he would be ranked higher. I don’t think he would’ve been ranked higher than Dirk or Kg because I don’t think he was better than neither of those guys.

Speaker 1 (2h 10m 37s): I’m going to, I’m gonna say that I think, I think if he won, I think if he won in college Alone, he takes a step up. So I’m gonna give it a, I give it a a double. If he wins, if Michigan wins and he wins in Sacramento, then a hundred percent I think he’s rated higher than Dirk and Kg. But I think what happened was we saw what happened in college with the no time out. Time out. Yep. And then similar stuff happened in the nba.

It’s not like it, you know, not to that extent, but similar stuff happened. So he, he got labeled as this guy who just was like really talented, great passer good but just wasn’t there a hundred percent up top. And so I think that hurt any case he had. So winning would’ve helped AB absolutely not making a couple of those boneheaded plays I think would’ve helped more. We got two more. This one from Ho, Josie. Jose.

Jose, I don’t know Castillo, what would Luca need to be top 10? I’m assuming

Speaker 2 (2h 11m 45s): Time. He’s gotta win. That’s number one. Number two, what he’s doing. Luca’s gotta sustain this for at least another five to eight years. And to to, to have that conversation. He’s gotta sustain that. Cause

Speaker 1 (2h 12m 1s): Is Luca the best non champion in the like, in the conversation

Speaker 2 (2h 12m 6s): Yet? I don’t think so.

Speaker 1 (2h 12m 8s): Still still too early. He’s

Speaker 2 (2h 12m 9s): 23. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (2h 12m 10s): Still too early.

Speaker 2 (2h 12m 11s): Still too early.

Speaker 1 (2h 12m 12s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (2h 12m 15s): What do you guys think of, what do you, what do we think, what do we think of magic? He’s the best. Enjoy fluent, best point guard in NBA history.

Speaker 1 (2h 12m 23s): Best probably guard in NBA history. What, what, what guys say Top five player. I think he’s a, he’s a undoubtedly a top five player all time. He’s undoubtedly the top point guard ever to play the game. And I think if we didn’t get robbed of a few extra years, people would think even more of him because who he was becoming as a player at that time was a guy that was gonna, a guy that we could look at as as today and say he could play today because he was starting to shoot. Like he came into league, he wasn’t a shooter but at that point he was becoming a shooter.

He could start shooting. Oh outside jump shots. Started shooting threes. So he’s

Speaker 0 (2h 12m 59s): The team. Magic. My bad. I didn’t even read the, the, my brain just erased that.

Speaker 1 (2h 13m 4s): What do you guys think of the magic? Of the magic? You

Speaker 2 (2h 13m 7s): Didn’t say that. Not Magic Johnson. The magic of the magic.

Speaker 1 (2h 13m 10s): Magic.

Speaker 2 (2h 13m 11s): I think they got their franchise player. I do. I will tell you that in Barro I do think that they have him. I think that they on something with, I think they’re onto something with Bo Bowl. I still think they need to show up their league guard spot. I think that’s an issue. I’m not sure Anthony is the guy yet, but I think that they’re onto something there. But the fact that they got the, the fact that they got their their franchise player, I think that that matters.

Speaker 1 (2h 13m 33s): You’re not gonna like this answer Phantom Wolf 72 because you know, you’re given a super chat, which means you care about the magic I’m assuming. And the truth about the magic is I think that they stink and I think that they’re gonna continue to stink. And I think that any one of their players that starts to get good is gonna leave. Cuz that’s what people do to Orlando. They go for a visit, they go to Disney World, they have a little fun and they leave. I do it twice a year with my kids. And so, and I shouldn’t say stink cuz nobody in the AMB stinks.

I just think if you’re like, if you want a championship, it’s not gonna be in Orlando. And it’s sad because I love Orlando. I’m, we, you know, we got a place down there like we love Orlando, but players just don’t stick around. You saw it with Shaq, you saw it with Dwight, you, it just, they either get hurt or they leave. That’s it’s, and until that cha, listen, I’ve told you this, I believe in history, history repeats itself. So until it changes, until it changes, I’m gonna stick with what I’ve seen and what I’ve seen is Orlando’s gonna start to get better.

They’re gonna make a playoffs, they’ll have a good playoff run and then their best player Paula will say, Hey, where’s the money? Who’s, and they’re gonna have to start all over again. And it’s sad, but tell me I’m wrong. Exactly. Speaking of Apollo

Speaker 0 (2h 14m 58s): P Paul being under advertised 21 7 and four as a

Speaker 2 (2h 15m 2s): Refugee, I don’t think he’s under advertised. I mean Orlando’s not very good. That’s the problem.

Speaker 0 (2h 15m 5s): Yeah. Again, it’s the, it’s

Speaker 2 (2h 15m 7s): The, yeah, he’s not, that’s the problem. It’s not that he’s being, I mean he

Speaker 0 (2h 15m 10s): Voted into the all Stars voting. So I mean he, people are paying attention to him. Right.

Speaker 1 (2h 15m 17s): All right, where are we? We’re at two 15. I know we normally don’t want go over two. We got three super chats. So we will start with my guy. Cuz as I promised arm Ms. Jones, I will always, who do y’all think Paula Ventura or play like?

Speaker 2 (2h 15m 31s): He reminds me of a more athletic version of Antoine Walker. That’s what he looked like to me. His ability to get to the basket. He could shoot the mid-range. He can handle it in transition. He looks like he could be a 20 and 10 guy on the regular. Cuz he definitely gets on the backboard and he’s a lot tougher than people give him credit for. That’s what he looks like to me. He’s like a, he look like a more athletic version of Antoine Walker.

Speaker 1 (2h 15m 57s): I like that comparison. Most of people don’t know who Antoine Walker was. That’s, and I think that’s the problem. Antoine Walker was a big, who could shoot and drive life for Kentucky if, if memory serves me correctly,

Speaker 2 (2h 16m 10s): Won the national championship in

Speaker 1 (2h 16m 12s): 96. So, you know, you know, I got ties to the University of Kentucky. So I I I’m, I like that comparison. I like that a lot. And the, to the previous one, he’s 21 7 and five Is that was the, was that the thing?

Speaker 2 (2h 16m 23s): 21, 4 and seven.

Speaker 1 (2h 16m 25s): Go, go look at other dudes that were, that had those numbers. That’s, that’s LeBron, that’s mellow. That’s like Luca. Those, those, that’s some pretty good Yeah. People to be grouped together with. Right. So yeah. I’m, I I I like what I’m seeing. I hope he stays and I hope he’s the franchise player that you say is, and I hope that they build a team and they make a run and, and like I said, that he stays because I want them to be good because when I’m down there, I want go see the magic play.

Speaker 2 (2h 16m 52s): Yeah.

Speaker 1 (2h 16m 53s): And I don’t wanna see a bad team. I wanna see a good team.

Speaker 0 (2h 16m 57s): I think we can agree though, as, as a whole, the league today is better than it’s been. Like look at, I mean the Knicks are on a roll. The Kings are on a roll. The rocks. I think the

Speaker 2 (2h 17m 6s): Knicks is, I think the mix is six right now. It’s six or seventh in the East.

Speaker 1 (2h 17m 9s): What, what do you, what do you mean? What do you mean by that?

Speaker 0 (2h 17m 11s): Well, you just, I think there’s more of many of the irrelevant teams. Nobody’s irrelevant. They’re all star. You know, they’re all good players, not stars. But I’m just saying that I feel like a lot of the teams that have been irrelevant, haven’t been on the map, are more relevant today.

Speaker 1 (2h 17m 28s): Okay.

Speaker 0 (2h 17m 29s): You disagree?

Speaker 1 (2h 17m 32s): I I I I think that the NBA has forever and will always be a league that is, you know, there’s, there’s teams. There’s gonna be a bunch of teams that are good. There’s gonna be a bunch of teams that are bad and you know, like the Warriors stunk for a long, long, long time. And then they got good and there’s gonna be a time when they start to stink again. And we’ve seen it with like, you pick a team, even Sacramento, like people want to, you know, beat up on Sacramento.

But early two thousands, that team with Chris Rubber and Doug Christie and Jason Williams for a short period and then he was, he was replaced in Vladi divots. That was a great team. That was a great team. Took

Speaker 2 (2h 18m 16s): The lake into seven games in the west finals.

Speaker 1 (2h 18m 18s): Great team. So every, every one of these bad teams right, have been good

Speaker 0 (2h 18m 22s): Outta

Speaker 1 (2h 18m 23s): Point. That’s not what I was like, there’s so, so is there, is there more? Like right now New York’s doing well, but they’re not competing for a championship. This a mecca of basketball. They’ve been terrible for decades. For decades. Look, Lakers stink and they’re the greatest franchise, you know, arguably them are the Celtics, right? In n b a history and the Lakers stink. So, you know, forever. You think

Speaker 0 (2h 18m 46s): There’s more star power currently than there like ever has been at of single point?

Speaker 1 (2h 18m 50s): No, I don’t. No, no. But do

Speaker 0 (2h 18m 53s): You think it’s like falling off?

Speaker 1 (2h 18m 54s): I I think, I think there’s more recognizable players because of social media. But me and Jay did this granted last year, but not much has changed since last year. But we went through every team, remember we said how many superstars? And we said, okay, how many superstar? And you go through each team and there’s know 10 that you could consider superstar, superstar caliber. No, super. Like could take their team to the finals, right? Like superstars, right? Yeah. And then we did it in the nineties and we did it in the seventies. It’s about the same like every other team has a certified star.

You know what I mean? But for every Luca don, there’s a, and this is no disrespect a Pascal, Pascal’s the best player on the Raptors, he’s good, but he’s not that guy. Aaron Fox is good, Simonis is good. He’s not, they’re not that guy. You’re not putting him in a conversation with, with Yoko and Bead, you know what I mean? Like he’s good. So for every one of those superstar guy teams, there’s, there’s just, there’s another team that doesn’t have that per that the guy, the man, the person you can rely on that just, there’s there, you know, so it’s 50 50 and I think that’s always been the case, but for sure there’s more recognizable.

I think we know the second and third, the fourth, you know, my, my son’s telling me about the fifth guy off the bench on teams. I’m like, dude. And he’s like, yeah, you don’t know, blah blah blah. I’m like, never heard of him. Right? And, and he’s averaged one point a game, but he put up seven today. I’m like, oh great. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that’s

Speaker 0 (2h 20m 20s): True. Social media please. A really big part. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (2h 20m 22s): Haven’t Yeah, for sure. I’ve had this chat up for this one up for a while. So Dwight, I’m assuming is Dwight Howard a top 10 center all time?

Speaker 2 (2h 20m 30s): I think so. Jabal, Chamberlain, Russell Wan, diesel, Moses, David, Robinson, Ewing, Howard,

Speaker 1 (2h 20m 51s): Bob McIndoo.

Speaker 0 (2h 20m 53s): Yeah,

Speaker 2 (2h 20m 55s): I’m

Speaker 1 (2h 20m 55s): Sure we missed one. I don’t think, I don’t think he is. I think he’s just outside. But I’ll give you my list next week. I think he’s, but he’s in the, this is what I said about Howard. He, he was unquestionably gonna be top 10. And then that’s why I always say wait for people. Either we finish their careers or get to the, it’s such a drop off and we, and it, it hurts their legacy, right? So yeah, I don’t, and I’ll tell you this in a couple of years, he won’t be, because I think Yoic, I think and bead, I think there’s guys that are gonna just keep knocking him down the list.

So like, again, that’s what, that’s why I like to wait cuz I think he’s gonna, he’s gonna fall down that list. I think mid, yeah, mid-teens I think is a good place for, for, for Howard, which sucks because again, he’s another guy that had all the talent, all the athleticism in the

Speaker 2 (2h 21m 45s): World.

Speaker 0 (2h 21m 47s): Prime, prime Dwight was insane. It’s

Speaker 2 (2h 21m 50s): Just, oh he was awesome.

Speaker 0 (2h 21m 53s): Dominant, I don’t think. Yeah. Okay. Duncan is top five most overlooked star in b a history also Caleb averaging eight and eight, five and seven, eight and a half. Seven and one in the 2016 finals is dastardly worst finals by an Allstar.

Speaker 2 (2h 22m 11s): Well, hmm. Duncan is the top five most overlooked star in NBA history. Also K averaged eight five in in the 16 finals in disastrous, worst finals by an all-star. He did have 16 rebounds in that game. Seven though I will tell you that.

Speaker 1 (2h 22m 31s): Yeah. Eight and a half, seven and one in the 2016 finals. That’s the worst finals by an all-star. Mm.

Speaker 2 (2h 22m 39s): Well first of all, he didn’t make the, he didn’t make the All-star team that year. So let’s dead that Logic Mall

Speaker 1 (2h 22m 44s): So that doesn’t, so right off the bat doesn’t,

Speaker 2 (2h 22m 46s): Yeah, so we can dead that logic cuz he didn’t make the All-Star team that year. So we can kill that logic. No he didn’t.

Speaker 1 (2h 22m 52s): I do wanna put an end to this just really quickly, and I know it’s not a super chat, but, and it’s, it’s the last thing we’ll do and then we’ll, we’ll get outta here. Bob McAdoo and Bill Walton above Dwight Howard. I’m not gonna argue with Bob McAdoo cuz I love Bob Macadoo, but I will say this about Bill Walton. Bill Walton is not a top 75 player in the nba. Period. End of discussion. Stop saying it. You can’t play part-time and if you don’t know, go look it up. You can’t play part-time in the NBA and be considered an all-time great.

I’m sorry you can’t. And if you go look at him, he played 60 games, he played 25 minutes a game. His best days when he was not was with Portland. But then when he goes to the Celtics, he’s coming off the bench. Like this is not that guy. He’s not that guy. He had one great season, he was phenomenal in college and his reputation precedes him. He’s not that dude.

Speaker 2 (2h 23m 42s): Tony. I think that if you, if you add up all the games, he, his entire career, if you add up all the games he missed, I think it comes out to five seasons that he missed in games.

Speaker 1 (2h 23m 53s): I I, if you put ’em all together, he plays six. If

Speaker 2 (2h 23m 55s): You put ’em all

Speaker 1 (2h 23m 55s): Together, if you, he played only six seasons, you put ’em all together

Speaker 2 (2h 23m 59s): If you put ’em all together. He only played six and I think he missed, I think the amount of games. I think he missed five seasons. So no,

Speaker 1 (2h 24m 7s): And, and and I, I I don’t, unfortunately I don’t have it handy beat and cuz I, I did a whole thing on this actually, you know what, it doesn’t take me about a second. Bill Walton. Okay, bill Walton, he played it says he played, says he played 10 years in the league. Except in, I’ll just read off the ga the amount of games. These are all 82 game seasons. 35, 51, 65, 58 misses a season due to injury.

14 misses two seasons, 33 55, 67, 80 as a off the bench. 19 minute a game for the Celtics, 10 his minutes per game. 32, 33, 34, 33, 24, 33, 26, 24, 19 11. The guy didn’t play. We’re we’re looking back at his college days. He is not an nba. Great. Get him outta that damn top 75. Put in a player who deserves to be there. And there is one last super chat which will truly, truly end us from our friend Big Ox.

Speaker 2 (2h 25m 14s): Big Ox Bizo, my man. No doubt brother.

Speaker 1 (2h 25m 18s): Great show and appreciate you Bobby and for fifa, this is for you fifa. That was on point. The, you gotta beat the

Speaker 0 (2h 25m 30s): Whoa, whoa, whoa. Dude,

Speaker 1 (2h 25m 39s): I’m the Warriors. Warriors

Speaker 0 (2h 25m 43s): City Bay happened. But actually do you know what actually happened is the fact that the referees can’t keep track of any time and it was just gross. And Jordan Pool needs new shoes, so all,

Speaker 1 (2h 25m 57s): All right, well we out cuz Ron is waiting for us. All right, backstage. So everybody we shoot you all appreciate. Good to see y’all take it. I killed you today.

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